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When a cleaner finds 5 euros at a Finnish office

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Re: When a cleaner finds 5 euros at a Finnish office

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Post by saiya-jin »

dvfjsdhgfv wrote: post #12
jedberg wrote: post #7

My first time in Finland was last May (incidentally to give a talk at Smartly in the very office featured in the photo). I love Finland. You can tell from the moment you arrive that the entire country cares about the welfare of everyone there. It started when we got on the train from the airport. We were told that not only do kids ride public transit for free, but anyone pushing their stroller does too. Talk about su…

Finland is actually great for summer holidays (although a bit expensive) - and I think it will become more popular as summers in other parts of Europe Europe get hotter and hotter. One thing you will need to get used though is the light in the night. You wait for it to get dark, you wait, and... it never happens. Very strange.

Add mosquitoes during those summers. Land of thousands of lakes has gazillions of them. Bigger ones then I was used from central Europe. Don't transmit any diseases, but boy having 50-100 stings on any non-covered part of the body is pretty annoying. After a week I've got used to it, you cover whatever you can, and unless you scratch them, stings become easy to ignore.

We met a guy who was hitchhiking, so had to stick out his arm. Afterwards he counted 168 bites on a single arm.

Re: When a cleaner finds 5 euros at a Finnish office

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Post by baddox »

jedberg wrote: post #7

My first time in Finland was last May (incidentally to give a talk at Smartly in the very office featured in the photo). I love Finland. You can tell from the moment you arrive that the entire country cares about the welfare of everyone there. It started when we got on the train from the airport. We were told that not only do kids ride public transit for free, but anyone pushing their stroller does too. Talk about su…

How easy is it to immigrate to Finland and enjoy these advantages of Finnish society? If it’s easy, then I wonder why more people don’t do it. If it’s difficult, then it feels a little disingenuous to praise a society for privileging the people who just so happen to be born there.

Obviously I’m not discounting the notion than certain societies can treat people better than other societies. I’m only trying to point out that given good treatment to members of a society is a pretty useless measure to judge a society unless you also analyze how people an become members of that society.

Re: When a cleaner finds 5 euros at a Finnish office

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Post by Teever »

Traubenfuchs wrote: post #16

This is clearly an artificial, manufactured viral marketing campaign. Hash tag added for extra cringe. Ridiculous.

Totally. This was my first thought when I skimmed the article. Now I wonder who is paying for it, the Finnish gov't or the company mentioned in the article?

I speculate that it may be part of a PR campaign from the government to draw skilled people from the US. It seems to coincide with recent comments about the American Dream by the Finnish PM.

Re: When a cleaner finds 5 euros at a Finnish office

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Post by Traubenfuchs »

Teever wrote: post #35
Traubenfuchs wrote: post #16

This is clearly an artificial, manufactured viral marketing campaign. Hash tag added for extra cringe. Ridiculous.

Totally. This was my first thought when I skimmed the article. Now I wonder who is paying for it, the Finnish gov't or the company mentioned in the article? I speculate that it may be part of a PR campaign from the government to draw skilled people from the US. It seems to coincide with recent comments about the American Dream by the Finnish PM.

The website is sponsored by the Ministry for Foreign Affairs of Finland...

Re: When a cleaner finds 5 euros at a Finnish office

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Post by [deleted] »

baddox wrote: post #33
jedberg wrote: post #7

My first time in Finland was last May (incidentally to give a talk at Smartly in the very office featured in the photo). I love Finland. You can tell from the moment you arrive that the entire country cares about the welfare of everyone there. It started when we got on the train from the airport. We were told that not only do kids ride public transit for free, but anyone pushing their stroller does too. Talk about su…

How easy is it to immigrate to Finland and enjoy these advantages of Finnish society? If it’s easy, then I wonder why more people don’t do it. If it’s difficult, then it feels a little disingenuous to praise a society for privileging the people who just so happen to be born there. Obviously I’m not discounting the notion than certain societies can treat people better than other societies. I’m only trying to point out…

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Re: When a cleaner finds 5 euros at a Finnish office

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Post by C1sc0cat »

vhakulinen wrote: post #27
versale wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually I was offered to give a tip at "O'Leary's" in the IsoOmena mall (Espoo) when paying the bill with my Visa Electron. It felt awkward and I've been avoiding the place since then.

More and more places are "offering to give a tip" at least in Helsinki when paying by card. The machine asks if you want to give some or not. Its... weird.

It is I almost always tip in cash, a lot of restaurants do sketchy stuff with tips given via card payments - I suspect Finland and the Nordics might be better though.

Re: When a cleaner finds 5 euros at a Finnish office

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Post by Traubenfuchs »

dTal wrote: post #34
Traubenfuchs wrote: post #16

This is clearly an artificial, manufactured viral marketing campaign. Hash tag added for extra cringe. Ridiculous.

Well, I mean the domain is "finland.fi"... not exactly subtle.

And yet this useless, feel good clickbait nonsense with zero content is featured on the frontpage...

Re: When a cleaner finds 5 euros at a Finnish office

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Post by socialdemocrat »

baddox wrote: post #33
jedberg wrote: post #7

My first time in Finland was last May (incidentally to give a talk at Smartly in the very office featured in the photo). I love Finland. You can tell from the moment you arrive that the entire country cares about the welfare of everyone there. It started when we got on the train from the airport. We were told that not only do kids ride public transit for free, but anyone pushing their stroller does too. Talk about su…

How easy is it to immigrate to Finland and enjoy these advantages of Finnish society? If it’s easy, then I wonder why more people don’t do it. If it’s difficult, then it feels a little disingenuous to praise a society for privileging the people who just so happen to be born there. Obviously I’m not discounting the notion than certain societies can treat people better than other societies. I’m only trying to point out…

Not sure about Finland but my native Norway pops up in these kinds of discussions frequently as well. Moving to Norway is in fact relatively easy as long as you get a job which requires some kind of higher education or special skill. You cannot move to Norway just to flip burgers. But you can move to Norway as say a sushi chef or geologist. I would expect Finland as a fellow Nordic country to be similar.

The reason we are not overrun with people moving to Norway is simply that people don't actually know Norway is fairly easy to move to. I have spoken to many foreign professionals here and while most of them originally had positive attitudes to Norway, pretty much none of them had believed moving to Norway was even an option.

It was often entirely random reasons why they ended up in Norway, such as getting hired by a Norwegian company at a foreign branch.

To most people contemplating emigrating the only countries that exist in their heads are the US, Canada and Australia.

Also especially people from poorer countries who decide to emigrate are extremely ambitious. They want to make a lot of money and shoot for the stars. Nordic countries are not really a place for such people. Ambition and making lots of money is not central value in Nordic societies. Nordics is all about work-life balance, moderation etc.

While Norway e.g. is one of the worlds richest countries you will not find any Rolls Royce, Bentley's or 200m tall luxury hotels. The wealth is sort of hidden in child-care facilities, humane prisons and stuff that isn't very glitzy. If you want to show off that you made it, then you are in the wrong place if you aim for the Nordics ;-)

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