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Are you sick of being downvoted for having a different opinion?

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Re: Are you sick of being downvoted for having a different opinion?

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Post by gaika »

xlnt wrote: post #19
gaika wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

English is not my first language. I meant that on the social news site that I'm working on there are no posts about downvotes, because everybody is free to express their opinion with up and down votes as they wish and it doesn't hurt anybody.

Oh. Maybe you are being downvoted for advertising your startup too much?

Maybe. I'm trying to advertise a solution to the problem. My startup is just one possible implementation of it.

Edit: Another solution would be to ask people to explain when they downvote. Please, what's wrong with THIS comment?

Re: Are you sick of being downvoted for having a different opinion?

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Post by xlnt »

gaika wrote: post #21
xlnt wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh. Maybe you are being downvoted for advertising your startup too much?

Maybe. I'm trying to advertise a solution to the problem. My startup is just one possible implementation of it. Edit: Another solution would be to ask people to explain when they downvote. Please, what's wrong with THIS comment?

You should probably ignore downvotes until at least -2. It could be just one random idiot and it doesn't mean anything.

Re: Are you sick of being downvoted for having a different opinion?

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Post by greendestiny »

rewind wrote: post #10

I'm not sick of being downvoted (don't care), but I can't say the same about posts that are nothing more than advertisements for the poster's startup.

I come here to read about startups, especially community member's startups. If this post was actually a link to, or discussion of, a startup that would be great. It's not.

If everyone who has something against downvotes would like to respond to this comment I'll upvote you and maybe we can get it out of our system.

Re: Are you sick of being downvoted for having a different opinion?

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Post by anewaccountname »

ibsulon wrote: post #12

I've managed to keep from being incessantly downvoted in my unpopular opinions by providing well documented arguments (logos, with an occasional appeal to ethos of sources), tying to personal credibility or experience (ethos), or providing personal experience developing an empathic response, then tying into into the main argument. (pathos -> logos, or just pathos.) The problem isn't disagreement - it's not developing…

Well thought out arguments don't matter; we are supposed to downvote anything we disagree with: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=117171 (from pg himself).

Re: Are you sick of being downvoted for having a different opinion?

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Post by astine »

gaika wrote: post #20
xlnt wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i'm sick of imprecise posts. the above post is not "nothing more" than an advertisement, even if you're right that that is the primary motivation.

Thank you. You are right, that is not the primary motivation for the post. I liked slashdot back in the day. Had to move on to digg, then reddit, then hacker news, because the quality of discussions was degrading. I think hacker news has a chance to be free from trolls and have high signal / noise because of narrow focus, but these personal anonymous attacks on people with downvoting them for who they are and what th…

I've always felt that the best tool for that job was active moderation. If moderators care about the quality of their 'community' they can maintain it by fairly enforcing a set of rules. I've seen cases where this worked very well.

Re: Are you sick of being downvoted for having a different opinion?

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Post by walterk »

gaika wrote: post #8
breily wrote: post #5

I'm sick of submissions about downvotes.

Great, there are no submissions about downvotes there, because unlike here it is not a problem. Edit: whoever is downvoting this comment should check the definition of "irony"

Unfortunately, you're the victim of some bad timing. Your submission's title makes it seem like yet another complaint about being downvoted, at a time when many of us are tired of seeing these things and will knee-jerkedly downvote the author / upvote sentiments against. The submission text is fairly vague and doesn't clearly dispel the notion that this is yet another complaint thread, rather than an advertisement for a startup.

A better title would have been, "Are you sick of being downvoted for having a different opinion? Try ______." Ideally, this would have been a direct link to your site. At a minimum, the URL for it should have been included in the submission text. Having us click through to your user profile == bad usability!

That said, the blame does not fall squarely on your shoulders. There's some definite mob mentality going on here that is embarrassing for a community supposedly composed of free-thinking hacker-entrepreneurs.

Re: Are you sick of being downvoted for having a different opinion?

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Post by stcredzero »

ibsulon wrote: post #12

I've managed to keep from being incessantly downvoted in my unpopular opinions by providing well documented arguments (logos, with an occasional appeal to ethos of sources), tying to personal credibility or experience (ethos), or providing personal experience developing an empathic response, then tying into into the main argument. (pathos -> logos, or just pathos.) The problem isn't disagreement - it's not developing…

Pathos, Logos, Ethos. The 3 Musketeers! All for One, and One for All!
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