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Re: Tesla's self driving algorithm's overlay [video]

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Post by tantalor »

Gene_Parmesan wrote: post #430
tantalor wrote: post #395

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your human eyes+brain do the same thing.

Our brains are purpose-built to really see only the very core center of our vision; the brain then creates an approximate model of the surrounding space, but a lot of what is in that model is influenced by what the brain "expects" to see. So I think yes, we can also suffer from some similar inaccuracies when the objects in question are in our periphery. However the main difference is that, when we are consciously loo…

> we can almost always tell with 100% certainty

That's just your brain again. You might mistake a bike for a lamp post, and switch between beliefs several times, before you figure it out, then convince yourself you knew it the whole time.

Re: Tesla's self driving algorithm's overlay [video]

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Post by adrr »

Animats wrote: post #472

Compare Google's system from five years ago.[1] (at 7:42) This new video is at n00b level compared to that. [1] https://embed.ted.com/talks/chris_urmson_how_a_driverless_ca...

Waymo is at least 5 years ahead of Tesla. They are running driverless self driving cars already on city streets. My Model 3 can’t even navigate a parking a lot half the time I use the summon feature.

Re: Tesla's self driving algorithm's overlay [video]

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Post by red75prime »

aeternum wrote: post #90
iamleppert wrote: post #79

Not sure I'd trust an autopilot based on crude visual odometry and segmentation that can only achieve a paltry 17 fps.

Not sure I'd trust humans since their crude visual systems lead to reaction times of over one second: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/233039156_Brake_Rea... 17x faster is an impressive improvement

If Tesla's autopilot has no notion of object permanence, then it's worse than 5 month old infant in some respects.

Re: Tesla's self driving algorithm's overlay [video]

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Post by travisoneill1 »

Animats wrote: post #472

Compare Google's system from five years ago.[1] (at 7:42) This new video is at n00b level compared to that. [1] https://embed.ted.com/talks/chris_urmson_how_a_driverless_ca...

I don't think that the videos contain the information necessary to make this judgment.

Re: Tesla's self driving algorithm's overlay [video]

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Post by sytelus »

adrr wrote: post #522
Animats wrote: post #472

Compare Google's system from five years ago.[1] (at 7:42) This new video is at n00b level compared to that. [1] https://embed.ted.com/talks/chris_urmson_how_a_driverless_ca...

Waymo is at least 5 years ahead of Tesla. They are running driverless self driving cars already on city streets. My Model 3 can’t even navigate a parking a lot half the time I use the summon feature.

Quick question: if you summon Model 3 and car gets in an accident, would Tesla pay for the repairs?

Re: Tesla's self driving algorithm's overlay [video]

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Post by jjallen »

adrr wrote: post #522
Animats wrote: post #472

Compare Google's system from five years ago.[1] (at 7:42) This new video is at n00b level compared to that. [1] https://embed.ted.com/talks/chris_urmson_how_a_driverless_ca...

Waymo is at least 5 years ahead of Tesla. They are running driverless self driving cars already on city streets. My Model 3 can’t even navigate a parking a lot half the time I use the summon feature.

Ancedote: this evening in Mountain View, the driver of one of Waymo's test vans had to take over (I watched her grab the wheel).

The van had come to a complete stop with room to pass a USPS truck (it appeared safe to me from 25 feet away), and didn't begin moving again for a few seconds. She then took control.

Re: Tesla's self driving algorithm's overlay [video]

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Post by jaxn »

sytelus wrote: post #525
adrr wrote: post #522

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Waymo is at least 5 years ahead of Tesla. They are running driverless self driving cars already on city streets. My Model 3 can’t even navigate a parking a lot half the time I use the summon feature.

Quick question: if you summon Model 3 and car gets in an accident, would Tesla pay for the repairs?

No. You agree that you are in control of the car.

Re: Tesla's self driving algorithm's overlay [video]

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Post by soperj »

yogrish wrote: post #507
Animats wrote: post #472

Compare Google's system from five years ago.[1] (at 7:42) This new video is at n00b level compared to that. [1] https://embed.ted.com/talks/chris_urmson_how_a_driverless_ca...

Please understand, Tesla works only with only Camera & Radars (at L2 level). Where as Google Waymo works with pretty expensive and lot of redundant sensors ie., 360degree LIDAR, cameras & Radars (at L4 level). Tesla sells vehicles in volumes, Waymo doesn't (as it is exhorbitant). Hence comparison is not apple to apple. I do agree Visualisation in the google video is more appealing. I assume Tesla also has state of ar…

they're only redundant if it's actually working and they're not necessary. Nothing is actually working right now in terms of actually self driving the car. So little early to say redundant.

Re: Tesla's self driving algorithm's overlay [video]

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Post by sgerenser »

sytelus wrote: post #525
adrr wrote: post #522

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Waymo is at least 5 years ahead of Tesla. They are running driverless self driving cars already on city streets. My Model 3 can’t even navigate a parking a lot half the time I use the summon feature.

Quick question: if you summon Model 3 and car gets in an accident, would Tesla pay for the repairs?

This already happened several times after they first rolled out the feature a few months ago (minor accidents). No, Tesla did not pay (nor would I expect them to).

Re: Tesla's self driving algorithm's overlay [video]

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Post by blotter_paper »

silentwanderer wrote: post #450
fcanesin wrote: post #421

All this jitter couldn't get some physics ? If it recognized a object moving couldn't it do some approximate dynamics calculation to predict it's location on the next frame and use that to help the networks ? Especially in the end where you see the stopped cars blinking.

If you look closely, you'll notice that the stopped cars aren't actually blinking - their outlines are changing color from yellow to black. Who knows what that means, but at least it isn't losing track of cars completely.

At 0:29 a parked vehicle blinks out of recognition briefly (no box of any color), but it's partially obscured by another vehicle.
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