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Re: Anti-cheat kernel driver

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Post by xenadu02 »

blibble wrote: post #23
mkj wrote: post #4

I guess next step is for cheat software to run in a hypervisor. Now what're you gonna do!

quite a few games prevent you running on a hypervisor (e.g. CSGO) this was one reason I stopped gaming under Windows inside KVM (the main reason being input lag/jitter) eventually all the cheats will move into the hypervisor and every competitive game will ban the use of virtualisation

Probably only because most hypervisors don't bother to hide themselves. There's no reason you couldn't prevent detection.

Not to mention some people are creating FPGA boards that use DMA to read memory, something no one is setup to prevent (would require an IOMMU and an OS that bothered to configure it properly; also very difficult to differentiate legit cards from cheating cards and an area game developers have zero experience with right now).

Re: Anti-cheat kernel driver

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Post by Andhurati »

dmitrygr wrote: post #27

> This isn’t giving us any surveillance capability we didn’t already have. If we cared about grandma’s secret recipe for the perfect Christmas casserole, we’d find no issue in obtaining it strictly from user-mode and then selling it to The Food Network. The purpose of this upgrade is to monitor system state for integrity (so we can trust our data) and to make it harder for cheaters to tamper with our games (so you ca…

I don't think any of the management of that company respects its fans.

Re: Anti-cheat kernel driver

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Post by outworlder »

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #24
crazypython wrote: post #3

Title should be changed to "League of Legends to use kernel driver to enforce anti-cheat." I thought the article had something to do with the device null.

Does this mean the app will need to run as root while the user is playing?

No but the cheat software will run in the kernel. Which is > than root.

In all likelihood – unless these guys are uncharacteristically careful – it will stay there even when you are not playing and become an attack vector.

Re: Anti-cheat kernel driver

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Post by tomc1985 »

jitl wrote: post #30
tomc1985 wrote: post #25

These horrible analogies make me want to stab the writer with a pen How about he just writes technically and lets reddit comments translate? I'm so sick of writers' concerns for illiterate proles (along with, in this case, a seeming need to maintain the energy and punch of a memetastic for-12-year-olds YouTuber) ruining perfectly good technical writing

I decided to downvote you for both a gate-keeping attitude (how dare a non-SWE else understand a bit of this stuff?) and for name calling, etc. Please consider learning some empathy.

How is desiring technical depth in a technical post "gatekeeping"?

The ananlogies are horribly pained. It is an excess of empathy that ruins technical writing that could otherwise be quite rich with information. This attitude of writers having to do all the work needs to end; let the reader do some of it

edit- its reductivist to think that only SWEs would understand this stuff. Have you forgotten about the legions of IT professionals and computer nerds that many SWEs came from? The rich history of hacking, much of which this post laments? Or is that kind of nerditry simply unfashionable nowadays?

Re: Anti-cheat kernel driver

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Post by Kaze404 »

akersten wrote: post #15
mkj wrote: post #4

I guess next step is for cheat software to run in a hypervisor. Now what're you gonna do!

Yep. The article even smugly tries to boast about how they're adults and understand these things : > We haven’t needed both arms yet, primarily because we have the advantage of steady paychecks and the lack of strict bedtimes at our immediate disposal. But as much as we might like the idea of an ever-escalating appsec war with teenagers, And yet they fail to realize that they're playing in to the very cat-and-mouse g…

That seems to be Riot's phylosophy for everything these days, unfortunately. They treat their playerbase with this incredibly smug and patronizing attitude, which is what personally drove me away from the game.

Seriously, no voice chat after a decade because of "toxicity"?

Re: Anti-cheat kernel driver

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Post by shmerl »

Sounds like malware to me. Justifying this level of intrusion in your system with "preventing cheating" is unacceptable.

If they want anti-cheats, let them develop AI that looks for non human and unnatural behavior on the server side. They should have no business snooping on the user, let alone having kernel access while doing it.

Re: Anti-cheat kernel driver

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Post by guug »

jitl wrote: post #30
tomc1985 wrote: post #25

These horrible analogies make me want to stab the writer with a pen How about he just writes technically and lets reddit comments translate? I'm so sick of writers' concerns for illiterate proles (along with, in this case, a seeming need to maintain the energy and punch of a memetastic for-12-year-olds YouTuber) ruining perfectly good technical writing

I decided to downvote you for both a gate-keeping attitude (how dare a non-SWE else understand a bit of this stuff?) and for name calling, etc. Please consider learning some empathy.

I decided to up-vote him because I think technical writing that is aimed at an advanced audience has its place, and that he is well within his rights to express his frustrations in a crass and comedic manner. Please don't over-project your sensibilities.

Re: Anti-cheat kernel driver

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Post by stealthascope »

some-guy wrote: post #17
JohnFen wrote: post #2

I understand why anticheat software exists, and why it's getting increasingly intrusive (and therefore risky). I'm not arguing that there's anything wrong with it. That said, the existence of cheaters is one of the big reasons why I don't play such games -- and that games include anticheating software is another one of the big reasons, equal to the existence of cheating in terms of how objectionable I find it. From m…

This is why I appreciate still being close high school LAN party friends close online--I can start a group chat and get a game going between each other, and maybe they can invite a friend of theirs to get the number of players up for a game. If you can manage to maintain these relationships then online gaming can be very rewarding without having to worry about the trainwreck you described. This doesn't work with all…

Did they ever release a version of 2k4 for linux?

I can play the UT2003 native version for linux just fine (doesn't seem to play nice with amdgpu, but the intel driver seems to be fine).

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