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Re: CBS gets YouTube review of 'Picard' taken down for using 26 seconds

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Post by taytus »

macinjosh wrote: post #27

I am seriously surprised how long it is taking for YouTubers to realize the YouTube platform is failing them and in some cases it is pitted against them. When you get down to brass tacks they only care about their advertisers. CBS is a big advertiser and partner for YouTube so they and those like them will always win. Social and legal norms be damned I do get encouraged when I see some creators going their own way li…

"I am seriously surprised how long it is taking for YouTubers to realize the YouTube platform is failing them"

I don't think that is the case. For what I've seen, the discontent has been growing for years. Youtube is to video what google is to search.

Yeah. there are competitors but we all know it's a monopoly.

Re: CBS gets YouTube review of 'Picard' taken down for using 26 seconds

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Post by dx87 »

colejohnson66 wrote: post #48
chc wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They intentionally created the system that allows this sort of abuse to happen? If you don't hold Google responsible for giving a few megacorps carte blanche to remove any content on YouTube that they don't like, who would you hold responsible?

Correct me if I’m wrong, but AFAIK, Google was legally required by the DMCA to make a Content ID system

Sort of. They built a video platform that they couldn't effectively moderate, so they built Content ID because they don't have the manpower to manually review everything. Content ID is just a side effect of Google relying on algorithms to do everything.

Re: CBS gets YouTube review of 'Picard' taken down for using 26 seconds

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Post by blackearl »

mywittyname wrote: post #45
henryfjordan wrote: post #18

Youtube has it's own system outside of the DMCA to handle copyright claims in which the claimant has all the power. If the poster of a video wants to appeal a copyright claim, they appeal directly to the claimant who gets to decide. You can then appeal to YT directly (good luck with that) but in the meantime the claimant can issue a "strike" on your account. 3 strikes and you are out. So instead of fighting claims, p…

I wonder if this will be the undoing of YT. If large content creators start inserting segments saying, "I can't show the clip here, but if you go to my vimeo channel , you can see the full review." That will offer people a segue off of YT.

I thought Vimeo was aimed more at artistic videos, not stuff like reviews/blogs, most of the stuff that gets dumped on YT wouldn't be allowed on Vimeo. I see more creators making free videos then asking for Patreon donations rather than fighting the awful YTDMCA

Re: CBS gets YouTube review of 'Picard' taken down for using 26 seconds

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Post by rasz »

mywittyname wrote: post #45
henryfjordan wrote: post #18

Youtube has it's own system outside of the DMCA to handle copyright claims in which the claimant has all the power. If the poster of a video wants to appeal a copyright claim, they appeal directly to the claimant who gets to decide. You can then appeal to YT directly (good luck with that) but in the meantime the claimant can issue a "strike" on your account. 3 strikes and you are out. So instead of fighting claims, p…

I wonder if this will be the undoing of YT. If large content creators start inserting segments saying, "I can't show the clip here, but if you go to my vimeo channel , you can see the full review." That will offer people a segue off of YT.

YT has eula clause prohibiting videos that redirect users to another video platform :) Linustechtips got a ban for this once, reversed because famous https://www.polygon.com/2018/7/12/17564060/youtube-accounts-...

Re: CBS gets YouTube review of 'Picard' taken down for using 26 seconds

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Post by blackearl »

alecco wrote: post #50
mywittyname wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if this will be the undoing of YT. If large content creators start inserting segments saying, "I can't show the clip here, but if you go to my vimeo channel , you can see the full review." That will offer people a segue off of YT.

I'm pretty sure YT forbids linking to other video platforms.

YT forbids a lot of stuff until you're a big company or one of those paul brothers

Re: CBS gets YouTube review of 'Picard' taken down for using 26 seconds

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Post by squarefoot »

outworlder wrote: post #34
jandrese wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

26 seconds of a 50 minute show? 0.87% of the show is too much for fair use? I suspect you will in fact be one of the very few who thinks that is too much.

Not of a 50 minute show, it was footage from the trailer itself.

Even if it had been the whole trailer looped 100 times it is utter stupid to take it down. The purpose of a trailer is advertising plain and simple: the more it is seen around the more audience it attracts to the real show. CBS shot their own foot on this one.

Re: CBS gets YouTube review of 'Picard' taken down for using 26 seconds

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Post by hombre_fatal »

Barrin92 wrote: post #16
warent wrote: post #6

I really dislike DMCA takedowns, but am I the only one who thinks 26 seconds is actually quite a long time--especially for a product of this caliber? That represents basically a full teaser trailer.

> That represents basically a full teaser trailer. The footage he took was literally taken from the publicly available trailer. Reactions to trailers are quite common on youtube and generally don't appear to be taken down. I question what the value of this for CBS is anyway because I doubt the few hundred bucks they theoretically lose from the youtube ad-revenue for the trailer aren't more than compensated by the att…

He was also in the foreground talking about it while it played.

Re: CBS gets YouTube review of 'Picard' taken down for using 26 seconds

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Post by Keverw »

raverbashing wrote: post #39

A good reminder to avoid doing free publicity of big copyright content. Sure, it's fair use, it's what people are talking about etc. Still, it's free publicity. If not, content creators should be very aware of possible abuses and should add anti-abuse language to their contracts, like this: https://hacked.com/sony-filed-copyright-claim-man-licensed-c...

I've heard that one popular channel accidentally sent a take down for their own content once, then some companies just scan for keywords. I forget where but remember reading that some blog was a take down because some studio ran a bot looking for keywords and assuming anything that mentions their movie titles is a download even though that site didn't host an actual downloads of the movie. So say for example you had a movies review blog, just mentioning the movie can cause some studios to flag it in bulk without reviewing your website or considering any fair use.

Then even if you license royalty free music, there's bot's that flag it so you can to dispute even if you paid since they don't know you got a license, they just auto assume that you didn't. Then also sound loops so, like Garageband Loops [0] you are allowed to use them in a larger project, but not the loops standalone... but some songs use these loops and samples, so say some artist used a Apple Loop in their song and got popular to be part of ContentID, then that artist starts flagging content from Apple they never created in the first place. Sounds like YouTube requires your music doesn't contain third party licensed royal free stuff within them but sounds like they still get submitted to YouTube anyways. And this isn't just a Apple Garage Band problem, happens with other music programs too like FL Studio and a bunch of others. Wouldn't surprise me if two digital drums (I guess music programs call them "virtual instruments" sounded too much alike if it would be flagged either, since remember hearing nothing but white noise got flagged once...

[0] https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201808

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