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German banks are hoarding so many euros they need more vaults

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Re: German banks are hoarding so many euros they need more vaults

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Negative interest rates are long time lethal to financial institutions such as banks and insurance companies. Hoarding printed paper is just a hilarious side effect, but the reality is that under negative rates the financial institutions are, at best, delaying their inevitable bankruptcy. https://moneyandmarkets.com/jeffrey-gundlach-negative-intere...

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Re: German banks are hoarding so many euros they need more vaults

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The crazy thing is that Germany is killing their own banks. They refuse to run fiscal deficits while at the same time they criticize the ECB for lowering rates and hurting the German Saver, when the German Saver is who would benefit if they decided tomorrow to run deficits for the next 10 years.

And on top of that, property prices (both in absolute terms and relative to rent) climbed to stratospheric levels in major cities.

Re: German banks are hoarding so many euros they need more vaults

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This problem has probably been exacerbated by the fact the the $500 euro note has not been issued since 27 April 2019[1]. I wonder if making storing euros in cash 2.5 times harder (500 versus 200 euro notes) was part of the reason the 500 euro was retired. [Edit] The legal storing of cash. The stated reason was the criminal use of cash. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/500_euro_note

According to that same article, the reason for retiring the note was because the people who benefited the most from its existence are criminals, who need to do their business in cash -- the fewer notes, the easier for them. That includes storage, I guess.

Still, I'm personally not in the eurozone, but in general terms for the end user high-denomination notes are not very useful unless you're gonna store them under your bed (and governments don't like this, they'd rather everybody be bancarized). Actually using them to buy things is a pain, since most businesses won't accept them. Having one in your wallet is a problem that you have to take care of, instead of just money

Re: German banks are hoarding so many euros they need more vaults

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This problem has probably been exacerbated by the fact the the $500 euro note has not been issued since 27 April 2019[1]. I wonder if making storing euros in cash 2.5 times harder (500 versus 200 euro notes) was part of the reason the 500 euro was retired. [Edit] The legal storing of cash. The stated reason was the criminal use of cash. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/500_euro_note

Indeed it was. Even now the 200 Euro note is the best for laundering and transportation since it's the highest value bill in common circulation (per Fed employee)

Re: German banks are hoarding so many euros they need more vaults

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The crazy thing is that Germany is killing their own banks. They refuse to run fiscal deficits while at the same time they criticize the ECB for lowering rates and hurting the German Saver, when the German Saver is who would benefit if they decided tomorrow to run deficits for the next 10 years.

Be careful what you wish for. I agree with Stieglitz that the Troika has historically not chosen the best path for crisis countries by implementing austerity. My fear with using Fiscal Policy and running deficits is that it is hard for a politician to win a campaign fighting for austerity if and when the debt binge becomes to great. From my own understanding, that is why monetary policy is strongly preferred because…

Very generally, my gripe with MMT is maybe it could work if well run. I'm not convinced but let's say it's possible. Next step, can we trust politicions to run the program effectively? I suspect they would always try to squeeze more out than practical that would lead to issues... And that's if it would work in the first place.

I'd like to see some countries try it and prove/disprove, just not mine first.

Re: German banks are hoarding so many euros they need more vaults

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Negative interest rates are long time lethal to financial institutions such as banks and insurance companies. Hoarding printed paper is just a hilarious side effect, but the reality is that under negative rates the financial institutions are, at best, delaying their inevitable bankruptcy. https://moneyandmarkets.com/jeffrey-gundlach-negative-intere...

This makes sense to me, but I don't see democratic countries able to stop themselves before it's too late.

What comes after?

This exact problem is why I liked Bitcoin a few years ago. Although with the scaling issues, it seems less useful than I expected.

Re: German banks are hoarding so many euros they need more vaults

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Additionally, the cash limit to anonymously buy gold is now 2.000 Euros (since Jan 2020). https://news.bitcoin.com/germans-rush-to-buy-gold-as-draft-b... You need a lot more space to store 10.000 € in cash than in gold.

why would banks care if it is anonymous?

banks don't care but the cash owners do. If you have 10.000 euros in cash and buy gold (in order to save space in the vault) the transaction will be registered. The government gets all details (name, date, amount etc). Instead if you put the 10.000 euros directly in the vault nothing will be tracked.

Re: German banks are hoarding so many euros they need more vaults

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Be careful what you wish for. I agree with Stieglitz that the Troika has historically not chosen the best path for crisis countries by implementing austerity. My fear with using Fiscal Policy and running deficits is that it is hard for a politician to win a campaign fighting for austerity if and when the debt binge becomes to great. From my own understanding, that is why monetary policy is strongly preferred because…

Very generally, my gripe with MMT is maybe it could work if well run. I'm not convinced but let's say it's possible. Next step, can we trust politicions to run the program effectively? I suspect they would always try to squeeze more out than practical that would lead to issues... And that's if it would work in the first place. I'd like to see some countries try it and prove/disprove, just not mine first.

Hasn't Japan already gone through the course?

Re: German banks are hoarding so many euros they need more vaults

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Additionally, the cash limit to anonymously buy gold is now 2.000 Euros (since Jan 2020). https://news.bitcoin.com/germans-rush-to-buy-gold-as-draft-b... You need a lot more space to store 10.000 € in cash than in gold.

why would banks care if it is anonymous?

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Re: German banks are hoarding so many euros they need more vaults

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post #3

The crazy thing is that Germany is killing their own banks. They refuse to run fiscal deficits while at the same time they criticize the ECB for lowering rates and hurting the German Saver, when the German Saver is who would benefit if they decided tomorrow to run deficits for the next 10 years.

Be careful what you wish for. I agree with Stieglitz that the Troika has historically not chosen the best path for crisis countries by implementing austerity. My fear with using Fiscal Policy and running deficits is that it is hard for a politician to win a campaign fighting for austerity if and when the debt binge becomes to great. From my own understanding, that is why monetary policy is strongly preferred because…

This is absurd in the context of Germany. They have a fetish with "fiscal responsibility". It'd be the natural inclination of every politician to cut back on deficits (and I imagine within a few years there'd be pressure to).

Germany is a country with a broken military and infrastructure. They should spend money on that. They should cut taxes for workers. There's plenty of shit for Germany to spend money on, and it would cause yields to finally rise.

The ECB has no choice because rich countries refuse to spend money.

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