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The costs involved in turning Mars into an experimental environment, call it a "twin", would likely eclipse the sum total of human activity to date (300k years worth) by several orders of magnitude.
That's fine, unless we have something better to do. If it takes 10,000 years or 100,000 years, it doesn't matter, unless the work being done is detracting from more important work. Many people, myself included, would struggle to think of more impactful goals for humanity to accomplish. Feeding, clothing, and housing everyone would be nice, but those things are still far more personal than any project that aims to pro…
James Lovelock: 'I Would Not Waste My Fortune on Colonizing Mars'
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#172Perhaps it might have been possible in some long distant past to underestimate Elon Musk and write him off as a crazy person. That time is gone. If Musk appears to be doing something crazy you've not understood it. > It’s crazy, completely crazy. Elon Musk has read too much science fiction. He got carried away with it. If I were in his position, I would not waste my fortune on colonizing Mars. And all they would lear…
Yeah, he's not obsessed with sci-fi, he's getting other people obsessed with sci-fi.
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The US federal government owns roughly a quarter of the US territory and most of it can't really be utilized for something. Technology to terraform it into arable land would unlock tremendous value.
At the risk of reducing the reflectiveness of said land from the rays of the sun and causing an increase in global temperatures.
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#174This topic comes up a lot and I know it excites investors, but I have yet to see a viable plan for kick-starting the magnetic field on Mars. No magnetic field means no way to have an atmosphere, water or life and everyone has to stay in caves or incredibly durable modules indefinitely. The only O2 and H2O is what you bring with you or produce in the modules. The only reason I could see doing this is if we knew of imp…
The atmosphere is very thin, yet should be enough to get rid of most micrometeorites (a possible isue on lunar surface). Also thanks to the atmosphere, you can do various orbital maneuvers (aero-capture, aaero.breaking, aero assisted plane changes, etc.) that are not possible on a body without atmosphere. IT even makes some very specific aircraft designs work. Also with an atmosphere, you get less insane temperatures, you can mine it for CO2 for fuel and other uses.
All in all, Mars is a frozen desert, but still a very useful frozen dessert providing many benefits in comparison to a barren rock floating in space.
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#175This interview makes Lovelock seem very unwise, is that due to him or the Spiegel site? Is it a fair interview/transcript, or is Lovelock really that intellectually uncharismatic? He sounds like many other elderly folks who are very dismissive and opinionated, for instance putting climate protests down to kids being kids... well you're 100, you definitely don't have skin in the game, how can you comprehend the mind o…
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JFK sold us on space because "we choose to do these things because they are hard." It was an aspirational exploratory message. The reality is that we are in space because it is required for great power contests. I'm mired in space as a DoD executive, so I promise you space - at least inside the GEO orbits - is extremely practical. Starlink is honestly amazing. Mars though? I've steel-manned that one and I don't see i…
I agree, earth orbit is great for deploying tech that helps us on the surface. The moon may prove useful if there's something of sufficient value to bring back. Mars is pure 'human endeavour', putting it kindly. Some individuals with large egos and wallets are pursuing it just because they can. Any sense in which Mars could be 'colonised' is indeed fantasy unless we are talking over a hundreds-to-thousands-of-years t…
What's your reasoning here? The purpose of the military is to defend valuables from others. Deploying military to Mars is as likely as deploying military to the Antarctic.
Scientists will be the first and probably last to occupy. Difficult to imagine it will ever expand much beyond research missions. The Antarctic environment is far less harsh than Mars and no-one maintains a permanent base there.
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#178Perhaps it might have been possible in some long distant past to underestimate Elon Musk and write him off as a crazy person. That time is gone. If Musk appears to be doing something crazy you've not understood it. > It’s crazy, completely crazy. Elon Musk has read too much science fiction. He got carried away with it. If I were in his position, I would not waste my fortune on colonizing Mars. And all they would lear…
Even geniuses make mistakes. We can celebrate him and question him at the same time. We don't need a hero or a fairytale ending to be able to appreciate the impact his companies are having and could have on the world.
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#179Does this need to be put at a lagrange point to be stable?
It's a very interesting idea but seems like this could have enormous unintended consequences.
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#180> "Oh, it’s a nice world! I live here with my wife, we are still in love, what more do I want?"