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James Lovelock: 'I Would Not Waste My Fortune on Colonizing Mars'

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> “nowadays, I think middle class and fairly wealthy people don't die of cancer.”

That’s a pretty crackpot thing to say.

James Lovelock has been lucky, and it’s certainly true that early diagnosis improves your chances. But the idea that wealthy people don’t die of cancer is complete nonsense.

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He may be a smart dude, but this answer is out there: > "DER SPIEGEL: Cancer is a silent killer that might get diagnosed long after the exposure, when it is too late. > Lovelock: I've had 10 cancers in the last few years and it hasn't been very bad. They just appear and grow. If you go to a good oncologist nearby, they'll take it out. It's just unfortunate for people who let it happen and it grows and grows until it'…

I seem to remember a turtleneck guy that got felled by cancer. He was running a fruit company, perhaps there isn't that much money in fruits afterall.

Steve spent $100,000 to decode his DNA:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/appleinsider.com/articles/11/10...

Billionaires would probably spend quite a bit of money if they knew they might get a disease in 20 years.

Bill Gates is funding Alzheimers research. His dad has it.

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His response to cancer as a possible outcome of radiation exposure following from a nuclear accident is troubling: "I mean, nowadays, I think middle class and fairly wealthy people don't die of cancer."

He almost made the point that the nuclear accident killed far less people than the tsunami that caused it, but instead went down the route that cancer isn't a big deal.

The tsunami killed over 15,000 people. The nuclear disaster is estimated to eventually kill 100-ish people due to excess cancer cases from radioactive releases.

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Honestly, the moon is a much better goal.

How so? Mars has an atmosphere unlike the moon, it has water in some form and quantity and has approximately the same length of the day as Earth, plus it has gravity much closer to Earth than what the moon has.

There's the plenty of places on Earth which are uninhabited due to climate conditions. What makes Mars a better place?

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This interview makes Lovelock seem very unwise, is that due to him or the Spiegel site? Is it a fair interview/transcript, or is Lovelock really that intellectually uncharismatic? He sounds like many other elderly folks who are very dismissive and opinionated, for instance putting climate protests down to kids being kids... well you're 100, you definitely don't have skin in the game, how can you comprehend the mind o…

He does, but I would not judge him too harshly. I suspect I will say some odd things if I ever turn 100.

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He may be a smart dude, but this answer is out there: > "DER SPIEGEL: Cancer is a silent killer that might get diagnosed long after the exposure, when it is too late. > Lovelock: I've had 10 cancers in the last few years and it hasn't been very bad. They just appear and grow. If you go to a good oncologist nearby, they'll take it out. It's just unfortunate for people who let it happen and it grows and grows until it'…

So did my Aunt. She had cancer a bunch of times before it eventually took her out. The toll that your body takes after chemo and/or radiation therapy makes the cancer that will materialize later in your life a lot more threatening, in addition to how your body decays over time. So basically, the older you get and the more chemo you've had, the higher likelihood you have of cancer taking you out. If Lovelock has had "10 cancers in the last few years", he's going to die of cancer in the next 10.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How so? Mars has an atmosphere unlike the moon, it has water in some form and quantity and has approximately the same length of the day as Earth, plus it has gravity much closer to Earth than what the moon has.

Mars’ atmosphere is less than 1% the density of Earth’s. It’s completely unusable for any practical purpose and would likely cause more problems (dust and erosion) than it would help.

> would likely cause more problems (dust and erosion) than it would help

Agreeing with your comment but to add: To my knowledge, the biggest problem the athmosphere is causing is the dust storms which can go on for months and which occlude the sky. This means you have to be able to hold out for that period. The Moon has pesky dust too (which got everywhere, it's so small it got through the joints in the space suits).

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I seem to remember a turtleneck guy that got felled by cancer. He was running a fruit company, perhaps there isn't that much money in fruits afterall.

And he is infamous for refusing medical treatment until it was too late. For months he tried alternative treatments, before saying he regretted it.

The treatment you refer to was a “whipple” procedure, or pancreaticoduodenectomy.

A very invasive procedure that has significant detrimental effects on your quality of life, and still doesn’t guarantee long-term survival.

A tough call for even the most rational of patients.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Going to Mars won't save us from a gamma ray burst either. Not sure what you mean by red dwarf but I take it that you mean an event on the scale of a gamma ray burst. Mars ain't good enough for that. I'd be curious to hear about events which would wipe out Earth and the moon but leave Mars intact.

By red dwarf I believe the GP means later phases of the star cycle when the sun increases in size and intensity.

That's hundreds of millions of years into the future. It's further away from us than the dinosaurs. Even if we never went to Mars (which we absolutely should), it would have been a major achievement had we survived for so long.

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#50
I had never even heard of a “James Lovelock” before now, and after skimming the comments here, my desire to know about him went from zero to negative.

On the subject of Mars etc., how are billionaires, especially the older ones, not already bored with all that Earth has to offer? Surely they must have experienced everything, natural and manmade, and crave for something more than the accumulation of wealth by now.

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