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China to inject $174B of liquidity on Monday as markets reopen

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Re: China to inject $174B of liquidity on Monday as markets reopen

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China = 20% of global GDP -> shutdown until Feb 17th. China = ??% of global supply chain -> shutdown until Feb 17th. This is the current status quo. If the situation isn't controlled by Feb 13th you can kiss at least 1/3 of global GDP goodbye. And, don't get me started on possible outbreaks elsewhere.

Stop spreading FUD. There have been a couple hundred deaths.

Even if the numbers have been minimized, compare this to the 40'000 deaths due to the flu in the US every year ...

Re: China to inject $174B of liquidity on Monday as markets reopen

#12

China = 20% of global GDP -> shutdown until Feb 17th. China = ??% of global supply chain -> shutdown until Feb 17th. This is the current status quo. If the situation isn't controlled by Feb 13th you can kiss at least 1/3 of global GDP goodbye. And, don't get me started on possible outbreaks elsewhere.

Stop spreading FUD. There have been a couple hundred deaths. Even if the numbers have been minimized, compare this to the 40'000 deaths due to the flu in the US every year ...

Ok, then do you think everyone should just open up and start travelling again?

Re: China to inject $174B of liquidity on Monday as markets reopen

#13

China = 20% of global GDP -> shutdown until Feb 17th. China = ??% of global supply chain -> shutdown until Feb 17th. This is the current status quo. If the situation isn't controlled by Feb 13th you can kiss at least 1/3 of global GDP goodbye. And, don't get me started on possible outbreaks elsewhere.

Stop spreading FUD. There have been a couple hundred deaths. Even if the numbers have been minimized, compare this to the 40'000 deaths due to the flu in the US every year ...

The absolute numbers of deaths are not very interesting. Its the rate of growth of infection and deaths that matter.

Re: China to inject $174B of liquidity on Monday as markets reopen

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They already extended the holidays and I know a lot of manufacturers rely on pre and post Lunar production cycles. We are going to find out what happens when China goes offline which is not going to be pretty. I fully expect some products to run short and prices to double within days.

I also think the Chinese govt is trying to throw money at this problem. They got caught mismanaging the epidemic and injecting money into the market isn’t going to calm public panic. It will do the exact opposite.

Re: China to inject $174B of liquidity on Monday as markets reopen

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China = 20% of global GDP -> shutdown until Feb 17th. China = ??% of global supply chain -> shutdown until Feb 17th. This is the current status quo. If the situation isn't controlled by Feb 13th you can kiss at least 1/3 of global GDP goodbye. And, don't get me started on possible outbreaks elsewhere.

Stop spreading FUD. There have been a couple hundred deaths. Even if the numbers have been minimized, compare this to the 40'000 deaths due to the flu in the US every year ...

deaths are absolutely the wrong metric to focus on at this point.

as you said, the normal flu is plenty deadly. even if we assumed that variable was break-even, what matters now is the rate of infection transmission and growth.

right now it is still exponential. we can only hope for the bend in a sigmoid curve to come soon, but we haven't seen it yet.

now on top of the fact that it is still exponential is the greatest crackdown on freedom of movement we've ever seen. a side affect of china's massive population is basically anything new they do becomes the biggest X we've ever seen. dozens of cities that are tens of times larger than most american cities on various levels of lockdown/quarantine. this is already historic.

Re: China to inject $174B of liquidity on Monday as markets reopen

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stop spreading FUD. There have been a couple hundred deaths. Even if the numbers have been minimized, compare this to the 40'000 deaths due to the flu in the US every year ...

Ok, then do you think everyone should just open up and start travelling again?

I wouldn't travel to China now, but I wouldn't hesitate to travel anywhere else in the world (I'll gladly accept any donations to prove my point ;-)

Re: China to inject $174B of liquidity on Monday as markets reopen

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post #4

Wilbur Ross's comments come off as a little callous but whatever. Anyway, these repo operations are meant to stabilize the markets in the event of a flash crash where there is a major dislocation on the price of equities, due to the coronavirus. Still might be a major downside move, but it should stave any long term move downwards.

The emergency repo operations were required long before the coronavirus, we have liquidity issues in the US. Economy will start to collapse shortly... Fed can't expand the balance sheet without exacerbating the problems.

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Re: China to inject $174B of liquidity on Monday as markets reopen

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The net figure matters.

Bloomberg: "The central bank said Sunday it will use reverse repurchase agreements to supply 1.2 trillion yuan of liquidity on Monday, with the figure coming to 150 billion yuan ($21.7 billion) on a net basis, according to Bloomberg calculations."

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-02/china-s-2...

Re: China to inject $174B of liquidity on Monday as markets reopen

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China = 20% of global GDP -> shutdown until Feb 17th. China = ??% of global supply chain -> shutdown until Feb 17th. This is the current status quo. If the situation isn't controlled by Feb 13th you can kiss at least 1/3 of global GDP goodbye. And, don't get me started on possible outbreaks elsewhere.

What will happen 17th?

according to various models the infection rate should shift from exponential growth to an s-curve function where growth rapidly falls off, the first stage of containment, somewhere around the 15th. the 17th is the monday after that, so many schools and business and cities are planning for everyone to just stay home until the 17th (at least).

Re: China to inject $174B of liquidity on Monday as markets reopen

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The Chinese government's response to this situation (after some initial dithering) has been to move swiftly with big moves. I suspect that the force that overcame the initial delays in local response were powerful central government actors who could some in and simply shut cities and entire areas down and not fool around. There appears to be at least one emergency prefab hospital with about 1600 beds under construction and foreign disease experts have been invited in to help with the situation. And now large liquidity injections into the markets.

Compare this to the previous recent epidemics that came from China, SARS, H7N9, some variants of Swine Flu and so on. This response feels very different.

I work near some people who are providing some analysis of the disease and the evaluation from that community seems to be that the Chinese government has been doing a really strong job in their response and it seems to reflect a turning point in how the government deals with these things.

In the past it appears that even having a rampant disease epidemic was considered so embarrassing that it was everything that could be done to hide it. Now it appears that hiding it and acting like its not happening is so embarrassing that a muscular response is warranted. I suppose that's an improvement.

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