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Re: Educated Fools

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Now those of us with postgraduate degrees and who are in the elite of the Democratic Party live in our own Versailles, and we don’t know any working-class people either—except perhaps the name of a barista at Starbucks or the woman who comes by at night to clean the office. I think this is one thing churches did really well; people from all social spheres coming together to serve their God. It didn't matter what job…

The churches that still exist often still do work this way, and there are still a lot of them, even in places like SF. They are shrinking, though.

Re: Educated Fools

#132

This one really hits home for me. I’m at a cross roads in my life right now and kind of lost. I had a great job working as the number 2 at a small business that I lucked into, but for various reasons beyond the control of the corporation, had to close. I’m in my late 20s, and as this article puts it, merely a high school graduate. I can code and do IT work, coordinate problem solving between businesses, read scientif…

My life experience is that there are a lot of places, especially those that hire remotely, that will happily interview folks with non-traditional backgrounds including no degree at all.

If you're willing to go on-site there are a lot of other good options as well.

If you want to chat privately about this, I'd be willing to. My email is my hn handle at gmail.

Re: Educated Fools

#133
post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>We took away your unions and safety net, but by golly, we'll protect your "dignity." Organized labor may not have been targeted explicitly like by Republicans, but Democrats haven't really been a friend to them either [1]. Both parties have been on board with the neoliberal agenda for 40 years. [1] http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/01/democrats-paid-a-huge...

I would argue social safety nets that Dems do push for (such as healthcare) do benefit the labor class.

Healthcare is something that would benefit the working class.

Unfortunately one of the side effects of Obamacare is that rates have skyrocketed to the point that many people can't afford it.

There are subsidies, but the premiums / deductibles are still high enough to be basically useless for many people. Add to it that we had a mandate that you needed to have insurance or you'd be fined.

There are a lot of good things that came from Obamacare, namely the removal of pre-existing conditions and the ability to keep your kids on your health insurance after they've left the house.

But there are real issues with the program, and what many people hear when they raise them is effectively "You're just holding it wrong" to steal that old iPhone marketing wank.

I honestly don't know anyone who is against improving healthcare in the US. The main thing people are afraid of is that a well-intended change will make things worse for them.

(This is a rant at this point that I'm not even sure is responding to anything you said)

Re: Educated Fools

#134
After finishing this article I can't help but think that he's writing about himself for himself than anyone else. Not everyone lives in Ivory Towers or is the partner at a prestigious law firm. I truly can't imagine this applying to any of the leftist activists I know; and by activists I mean they organize, protest, and collaborate multiple times a week. They're all working class people -- of the top of my head, off the ones i know personally, there's a retired school teacher, a caretaker for the elderly, a machinist, a waiter, an electrician, a nurse, a mechanic, an engineer, and a janitor. They all have various degrees of involvement in the leadership of the local D party and activist groups.

Just who is this article aimed at? I don't mean the article doesn't have some good points, but the way it treats this as a monolithic generally true problem immediately strikes me as incorrect. Dude's in a bubble of his own to think this is sage advice that can be generally applied.

Re: Educated Fools

#135

TBH I'm indifferent to the rural working classes plight. I'm LGBT and they've proven time and time again that they aren't my friends (both growing up in flyover country and later after I escaped that wasteland by how they vote and how they treat my brothers and sisters who didn't escape). If they want to vote against our shared interests and suffer the consequences, so be it. Me and mine will keep building without th…

Thanks for screwing over fellow minority groups by opposing solidaristic politics. Those of us whose identity group only makes up 2% of the population don't have the luxury of excluding anyone from coalitions -- we've never been big enough.

Re: Educated Fools

#136

This one really hits home for me. I’m at a cross roads in my life right now and kind of lost. I had a great job working as the number 2 at a small business that I lucked into, but for various reasons beyond the control of the corporation, had to close. I’m in my late 20s, and as this article puts it, merely a high school graduate. I can code and do IT work, coordinate problem solving between businesses, read scientif…

Well, if you know Haskell the company where I work hires remote and is solidly opposed to credentialist bullshit. If no Haskell, well, good luck!

I know some Haskell and major functional languages.

https://karma-engineering.com/lab/wiki/TitleIndex

lngnmn1@gmail.com

Re: Educated Fools

#137
post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Democratic Party is driving a wedge between itself, FWIW. The talking points around political correctness could not be better designed to alienate working and middle class white people.

>The talking points around political correctness could not be better designed to alienate working and middle class white people. As a middle class white, I ask "such as?"

Pretending that there are no negative consequences to allowing men who believe they are women into female-only spaces.

Or pretending that the incredible success of East and South Asians in the US doesn’t basically completely torpedo the notion that racism is a significant barrier to the success of poorly performing ethnic groups.

Re: Educated Fools

#138
Education (and inflated government) is a new way of signaling a higher social state, similar to scholastic priesthood of the past.

It is entirely a social construct (aside from practical, concrete-math-based STEM and engineering).

Another real-life aspect is that passing through a really decent schools like MIT or Caltech (or Yale, as an exception) is a proof (by example) that one is capable of self-discipline, concentration, self-improvement, able to do research and learn on by doing.

Aside from that a degree is just and merely a social status certificate, a certificate of belonging to a higher social class (no matter actual skills and abilities).

I myself am from a third-world social shithole and never went to a high school. I could, however, beat a vast majority of so-called liberal arts majors and even some Stanford grads, which I regularly did on this very site before CoCs and bans for use of an "inappropriate" language.

So, there is nothing much to talk about. A crappy degree is a social status certificate, and obsession with language usage, long-words and polit-correctness and fancy abstract terminology is merely a signaling of assumed, self-proclaimed (and almost always absent) virtue.

Re: Educated Fools

#139

Great article that exposes many college-educated blind spots, in particular that education is not a panacea for inequality. But the proposed solution of more democratic workplaces — somehow convincing capital-holders that investing in human labor rather than automation is in their own self-interest — feels like swimming against the tide of history. Meritocracy is a dangerous ideal for humanity to continue to hold so…

>Meritocracy is a dangerous ideal for humanity to continue to hold so dearly. IQ is partially genetic, and with a low ceiling How can you possibly allocate resources efficiently if you don't consider whether those you are allocating to are competent? What do you propose? Derisk with massive government bureaucracy?

Why do we need to allocate resources efficiently? People having lots of resources hasn't really made us any happier. If lots of resources made a difference everyone in developed countries would be euphoric 24/7. Yet we're chock full of anti-depressants and still sometimes intentionally kill ourselves.

Re: Educated Fools

#140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> nobody’s brain will hold a candle to AI Nobody can outrun a car, either, but cars haven’t made humans obsolete. Instead, we use them as tools to accomplish our goals: just as we will with AI.

We haven’t even made baby steps with AI yet. All electronics as of today have 0 cognitive ability because they are all deterministic in nature. That’s right, exactly 0 cognition.

This is ridiculous. Essentially all modern machines have access to sources of "true" randomness, and determinism is certainly not what is holding back advances in AI.
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