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I had to get a background check for my job; the report is a 300 page pdf

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Post by commandlinefan »

dudul wrote: post #81
appleiigs wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On a related note, I declined a job interview when a company wanted to do the interview process via HireVue. Has the Orwellian telescreen feel. The process includes candidate recording interview responses and uploading them for AI to evaluate. HR must not realize that as part of the interview, candidates are also evaluating whether the company is a good place to work at.

I've also laughed at companies trying to pull this thing, but I also realize that this is a huge privilege. There is really only in tech that the tables are somewhat flipped, and applicants can afford to give HR bullies the middle finger.

> only in tech

Wait until you hit 40. You’ll start to discover how unskilled workers feel applying for jobs.

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Post by acdha »

cheez wrote: post #245
grecy wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> HR must not realize that as part of the interview, candidates are also evaluating whether the company is a good place to work at. In many fields outside software people with no healthcare, student debt, a mortgage and car payments are screwed. As long as the system keeps the people down, they won't have a choice but to take that job, no matter the Orwellian nature

It's so easy to stay out of this. Keep up your health and don't take on debt. Gives you a lot of freedom. https://sivers.org/richand

Yes, lucky people have more flexibility. The problem is that very few people avoid getting sick or hurt[1], having kids, needing loans, getting laid off, etc. and a healthy society should work for more than 10% of the population.

1. “Keep your health” up is obviously naive to start with but also ask how many people are, say, hurt in car crashes or on the job every year and how cruel your advice would sound to them.

Re: I had to get a background check for my job; the report is a 300 page pdf

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Post by WWLink »

chillingeffect wrote: post #185
lovehashbrowns wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HireRight almost failed my background check because I got the month wrong on my graduation from high school. I legitimately don't understand why a background check has to be this in-depth. Edit: actually I think it was elementary school. Even worse.

similar here. got laid off with severance in month x. company reported employing ending month x+2, my resume says I started a new job month x+1. HR calls me in a disdained huff "Sorry Mr. Effect, but we don't handle prevarications lightly."

Holy shit, I'm surprised they care THAT much about start date/end date. Like.. seriously? WTF? That's insane lol.

Re: I had to get a background check for my job; the report is a 300 page pdf

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Post by acdha »

sneak wrote: post #157
ianai wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are entire industries insulated enough for illegal HR practices to prevail. “Other places to work” line of reasoning is tone deaf and functionally abusive.

I’m not sure how privately holding the opinion “anyone who can choose non-abusive employers should choose them over abusive ones” is itself “functionally abusive”. Freedom of association is a powerful tool.

It’s abusive when it’s used as it was here to imply that it’s the worker’s fault for accepting bad working conditions, as if there aren’t many well documented reasons why that’s hard for most people.

Re: I had to get a background check for my job; the report is a 300 page pdf

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Post by Keverw »

dudul wrote: post #81
appleiigs wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On a related note, I declined a job interview when a company wanted to do the interview process via HireVue. Has the Orwellian telescreen feel. The process includes candidate recording interview responses and uploading them for AI to evaluate. HR must not realize that as part of the interview, candidates are also evaluating whether the company is a good place to work at.

I've also laughed at companies trying to pull this thing, but I also realize that this is a huge privilege. There is really only in tech that the tables are somewhat flipped, and applicants can afford to give HR bullies the middle finger.

> applicants can afford to give HR bullies the middle finger.

Probably depends a lot on your location though unless you are aiming for companies that allow remote. Midwest Ohio vs. San Francisco. I feel like since the job market is so much larger, SF would be much more flexible when being picky about jobs than other places.

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Post by Keverw »

doitLP wrote: post #176
Aardwolf wrote: post #22

Running a simple algorithm that flags specific words in liked tweets: meh, whatever. But why waste 350 printed pages of paper for that?

They offer the checked person the option to get a report of whatever they found and reported to the company.

Probably a legal requirement to provide it, such as credit reports if used for employment or apartments, etc of providing a copy.

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Post by Keverw »

I think it's insane schools and companies are monitoring peoples social media, should keep work and personal separate.

For example went viral that a Christian school very recently expelled a girl because she had a rainbow cake that they seen in a photo on social media, and then heard some kid got in trouble for going to a gun range with his dad over the weekend and posting about having a fun day. Then there was another case with a college student.

Looks like many of these schools are currently being sued too, but recent developments. I think trying to control personal social media is over reaching. Not sure if companies get sued over this, but since many schools are government ran they are opening up a can of worms relating being subjected to section 1983 civil rights lawsuits. Plus schools keep cutting stuff due to funding, like one of the elementary schools nearby cut both art and music completely so I think they should tread carefully if they are going to start monitoring student's social media since they can't afford to be sued. One of those schools thought is a private school, so not sure how far that lawsuit would go since many states it's legal to discriminate against LGBT since not as protected like race is, you can get married on the weekend and be fired on Monday.

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Post by chillwaves »

coldtea wrote: post #138
darkwizard42 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think holding racist, homophobic, or sexist views would be considered "bad opinions". They are likely going to limit your effectiveness in the workplace, so yeah seems fine to screen for that.

The US had been full of racisst, homophobic, and sexist people much more in the past and it didn't hurt their "effectiveness in the workplace", to the point that the US was the #1 economy in the world. So, maybe personal opinions of that nature are not related to being a good developer or a good car mechanic or hair dresser. Second, what's a offensive (e.g. homophobic, sexist, etc) is quite an arbitrary thing these d…

If keeping racists around was so good for business, then business culture would not have drastically changed in the last 50 or 60 years.

As far as US being #1 economy, that generally happens when the rest of the developed world is in rubble (post WWII). Men being sexist and racist was not necessarily a contributor.

Another trend was more people smoked cigarettes. Do you thinking smoking cigarettes means a more effective business?

Re: I had to get a background check for my job; the report is a 300 page pdf

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Post by sneak »

acdha wrote: post #254
sneak wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not sure how privately holding the opinion “anyone who can choose non-abusive employers should choose them over abusive ones” is itself “functionally abusive”. Freedom of association is a powerful tool.

It’s abusive when it’s used as it was here to imply that it’s the worker’s fault for accepting bad working conditions, as if there aren’t many well documented reasons why that’s hard for most people.

https://sneak.berlin/20191201/american-communication/

I made no such implication. You appear to be reading something I simply did not say.

Re: I had to get a background check for my job; the report is a 300 page pdf

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Post by mikedilger »

The reason companies have to do so damn much checking upon hiring is because the employment laws make it damn near impossible to recover from a mistake. If you want to make a difference in this space, don't always vote for whatever issue the screws the rich companies.
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