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Re: Show HN: I made a site that helps you find LGBT+ Travel Rankings and Gay Laws

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Post by MacsHeadroom »

Love the idea. Terrible execution. Here's some constructive criticism:

The site currently is as useless as listing the average elevation of countries to determine where mountains and valleys exist. Utterly useless.

Texas would be one of the largest and most populous countries in the world if it was a country. Yet it is grouped together with states that couldn't be more different. Even WITHIN Texas LGBT acceptance in Austin TX and El Paso TX couldn't be more different.

What would actually be useful?

A heat-map style visual of the world; granular to the level of regions with 200k+ people.

P.s. Make data source contribution a moderated community effort. Do not rely on terribly non-granular data sources constructed by people who don't actually live in the regions you're providing information about.

Re: Show HN: I made a site that helps you find LGBT+ Travel Rankings and Gay Laws

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Post by afroboy »

So many fake data on this, ok let's take Algeria as example of course it's not place for gay people but i'm questioning the data let's start by Death Sentence Algeria doesn't have death sentence at all and in this it tell you they will execute gay people well bullshit, and being gay is not illegal but not socially accepted big difference, pride is definitely banned but it tell you is not,Religious Influence is 67% well no way it's 100% etc.

Re: Show HN: I made a site that helps you find LGBT+ Travel Rankings and Gay Laws

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Post by apta »

notahacker wrote: post #85
hardtoswallow wrote: post #29

As a gay man, you're safer and better off in Singapore than you would be in most parts of Europe and the top portion of the list. Yet Singapore is down at 92. Interpret this however you want, but the list flawed. Laws don't mean shit unless they're enforced and that goes both ways. "Bad" laws not enforced is better than good laws not enforced.

Yes and no. On the one hand a gay tourist is considerably less likely to be on the receiving end of homophobic beatings in Singapore than many liberal European countries, and won't have any issue finding the gay scene. On the other hand its a country where only a fifth of the population think gay sex isn't wrong and the unenforced law against gay sex still has majority public support.

> On the other hand its a country where only a fifth of the population think gay sex isn't wrong and the unenforced law against gay sex still has majority public support.

So? Aren't people entitled to their own views and opinions.

Re: Show HN: I made a site that helps you find LGBT+ Travel Rankings and Gay Laws

#105

Post by mtnGoat »

netsharc wrote: post #76
1hakr wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for the feedback mate. I got this data from Spartacus website. Do you think it's not accurate? What about all the other countries? https://spartacus.gayguide.travel/blog/spartacus-gay-travel-...

Fucking hell, your defense against all the criticism is that "Oh it's data from some 3rd party!", which is more or less saying "not my fault!". As another has said, this is less than useless, this is dangerous. And if it's the source that's wrong, then the source is also dangerous, but you're spreading dangerously wrong information. I hope no LGBT+ person actually depends on your site, because it might get them fucki…

I'm a straight male and I feel uncomfortable in parts of TN, WV, AL, GA. I go there to see family and I don't like it. I feel like some of these folks don't just dislike LGBT, they dislike everyone. Downtown Seattle at 4am in cracktown is safer, then small town WV as an outsider.

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Re: Show HN: I made a site that helps you find LGBT+ Travel Rankings and Gay Laws

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Post by lightgreen »

maxmalysh wrote: post #87
lightgreen wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> you can see gay people kissing on the streets without repercussions I never say gay people kissing (or even holding hands) even in Moscow. Maybe Russia is not as bad as Syria, but that statement is not true.

YMMV, but check Google Maps to see how many gay bars are there in Moscow.

Yeah, but none of them is openly gay. For example, they can't practically display a rainbow flag near the entrance. These are "underground" bars and clubs.

Re: Show HN: I made a site that helps you find LGBT+ Travel Rankings and Gay Laws

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Post by danbolt »

nec4b wrote: post #95
learnstats2 wrote: post #77

Poland scores much higher than South Korea. Poland has areas which have declared themselves LGBT-free zones. South Korea is higher on the Human Development Index but is described as "developing". This is just nonsense, isn't it?

LGBT-free zones are places free of LGBT ideology and not LGBT people. Totally different meaning.

How do I determine what is “ideology” and what isn’t? If a person is LGBT, is their behaviour considered ideology? When does something simply being LGBT also become ideology?

Re: Show HN: I made a site that helps you find LGBT+ Travel Rankings and Gay Laws

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Post by nec4b »

rewq4321 wrote: post #99
nec4b wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LGBT-free zones are places free of LGBT ideology and not LGBT people. Totally different meaning.

> Totally different meaning. If people aren't allowed to express who they are or their beliefs for fear of literally being bricked or kicked in the face [0][1] then you're banning LGBT people (and obviously "LGBT ideology" too). [0] https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2019/07/bigots-attacks-pride-mar... [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-l67aCX0vA

I agree with you that if you ban LGBT people your are also probably banning LGBT ideology. But banning LGBT ideology does not mean banning LGBT people. Being a LGBT person does not mean that you automatically subscribe to an LGBT ideology.

Re: Show HN: I made a site that helps you find LGBT+ Travel Rankings and Gay Laws

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Post by nec4b »

danbolt wrote: post #107
nec4b wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LGBT-free zones are places free of LGBT ideology and not LGBT people. Totally different meaning.

How do I determine what is “ideology” and what isn’t? If a person is LGBT, is their behaviour considered ideology? When does something simply being LGBT also become ideology?

I will try with an analogy, please don't take it literally. Communist party (the ideology) stipulates that it represents workers (people) and that every worker is inherently on its side. But being a worker in reality does not mean one is a communist and banning the communist party does not mean banning the workers.

Re: Show HN: I made a site that helps you find LGBT+ Travel Rankings and Gay Laws

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Post by DanBC »

notahacker wrote: post #93
DanBC wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the official state religion and is represented in the house of lords. That's real actual power, albeit moderated by the rest of the HoL. And, while they apologised, they stuck by that announcement. We also have Catholic churches here, who've made similar pronouncements about relationships of gay people. We've had a long running demonstration outside primary schools by Muslim people complaining about age appropri…

Nobody is saying that religious prejudice in the UK is nonexistent. What I am saying is the data source's conclusion that the UK has a high level of religious prejudice not found in the rest of Western Europe is palpably absurd. 'But I have to worry about the power of bishops in the House of Lords', said no tourist ever.

Are you ignoring Northern Ireland?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Northern_Irelan...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Unionist_Party#Soci...

EDIT: Also, it's weird to discount the fact that about one third of all schools in England are faith schools - most of those are either Church of England or Catholic. Ofsted requires schools to teach about same sex relationships, but Ofsted doesn't prevent schools from teaching that these relationships are sinful. https://www.secularism.org.uk/opinion/2019/07/faith-schools-...

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