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The solution is the same as it was in 1991 as well: don't feed the trolls.
This was shown repeatedly not to work. The only troll-free forums are those with good moderators.
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Reddit also delisted the Chapo Trap House subreddit, it's not exclusively conservatives that are toxic. And Reddit's clean up wasn't about liberal vs conservatives, it was about teen-ogling perverts, overt racism, and threats of violence.
What does "toxic" even mean, if it includes CTH? Oooh, they're socialist nerds! Very scary!
I believe others want this too.
To combat my desire for this I'm developing two things: a Discord community for all but with a private section for paying customers. I believe when people pay for access to a community that expects a certain behavour from them they run with it.
Secondly I'm also developing a localised Meetup called Brisbane CloudOps. I want to enable physical meetings and discussions too.
I think the answer, to be honest, is smaller, niche, private communities and not vast open arenas.
- Ignore them and despise people arguing on the web while you build yourself a better life.
- Laugh at them and possibly feed the troll for more fun, but it gets boring and youll get back to strategy 1.
We live in a clown world where too many people spend 90 percent on their screens receiving information from strangers instead of living a normal life. Plus the more opinionated people are on the web, the more they have nothing actually going on in their life.. its like the same fact that all psychologist are people whith poor mental healt who went into this branch hoping they would understand themselves. The louders someone is about a subject......
Do you really want to invest time into policing this clown world ?
If you are not convinced just go in flat earth group on facebook. Youll understand that "dont argue with pigs, youll get dirty and the pig loves it"
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There may be groups of bad actors coordinating, maybe. But you remind me of this Alan Moore quote: "The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic. The truth is, that it is not the Jewish banking conspiracy or the grey aliens or the 12 foot reptiloids from another dimensio…
Right but like...There are organized movements by governments to do horrific things. China is doing it, Nazi Germany did it, America has and is and will do it. Random quotes from counter-culture writers doesn't negate that bad actors have coordinated, they weren't bothered by sunlight, and when they got enough power they did truly horrific things.
Im trying to say that there is an organic ecosystem of groups that severely constrains all groups in unpredictable complex ways, and much more than most people would think.
- smaller communities are more civil. As forums get more popular and their power to influence grows, assholes want to use that power to get their way
- reasonable people might put in their 2 cents on a discussion, but will not continually argue with the assholes. The assholes know this, so pour lots of energy into turning a discussion into a shitstorm.
I have seen this same thing here at HN: two people go back and forth on a point until the discussion is two words per line on the far right of the screen. Once I see that starting, I usually quit reading the whole topic.
I'm not that familiar with the reputation thing here, but in my previous life I had some ideas about how to rescue our forums. Most of the ideas revolved around limits, like:
- limit the number of posts per userid on a topic. This would require that a person get all his thoughts out on the table and think before posting to do that, rather than going back and forth forever.
- limit the number of posts per userid per day. Then if someone went on a rampage, they couldn't just pollute one topic and go to another to vent (or create new topics to vent). My hope was that if you force a person to cool off for a day, they might not want to get into the same argument the next day.
Once our support forums got popular, they got ugly. We tried everything we could think of, but eventually had to shut them down and went to a model where we anonymously posted questions that users had and posted our responses. Users couldn't post. The support forums were still informative, but all the heat (and a lot of the interest) was gone.
I'd never have forums in another business. They're great in the beginning, but in my experience, impossible to manage when they get popular. HN has done a great job here, but it's also a specialized, highly educated community.
Discussions like this are frustrating to me because they always seem to skip over what feels like a crucial element: Do you know _why_ this uptick has happened? Does anyone? I get the feeling, in general, when people talk about wanting to "Do Something" about this sort of thing, they are always focused on managing the symptom and never focused on addressing the cause. Frequently, when I try to bring this up, the caus…
I believe the reason for the uptick is two-fold. 1.) In general, this is a reactionary movement from the elite class of society(straight, white, cis people) to keep a death grip on the social and systemic power they see being taken from them in the form of diversity, equality, feminism, etc. This has been happening for a long time now, but it got real, real bad after... 2.) ...Trump was elected. Him winning the elect…
Trump's base is decidedly not elite. It's working class people who live outside cities.
The elites live in cities and have graduate degrees. Very few of them voted for Trump.