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Show HN: I made a site that helps you find LGBT+ Travel Rankings and Gay Laws

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Re: Show HN: I made a site that helps you find LGBT+ Travel Rankings and Gay Laws

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Post by dubcanada »

ainar-g wrote: post #17

https://visalist.io/russia/gay-travel > The main currency is undefined. It's the Russian Rouble (RUB). > the Russian Federation is the formal name of undefined I'm not sure what this is supposed to say, but according to the Russian constitution, the names “Russia” and “the Russian Federation” are synonymous. At first I was surprised at how low the Russian Federation is on the list, but then I remembered that Chechnya…

It seems to be based on laws mostly. So I am guessing due to Russia's rather terrible laws towards LGBT that's why it is so low.

But everyone that I clicked on had a lot of undefined data.

Re: Show HN: I made a site that helps you find LGBT+ Travel Rankings and Gay Laws

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Post by 1hakr »

ainar-g wrote: post #17

https://visalist.io/russia/gay-travel > The main currency is undefined. It's the Russian Rouble (RUB). > the Russian Federation is the formal name of undefined I'm not sure what this is supposed to say, but according to the Russian constitution, the names “Russia” and “the Russian Federation” are synonymous. At first I was surprised at how low the Russian Federation is on the list, but then I remembered that Chechnya…

Thanks for pointing out the bug. I just fixed it.

Re: Show HN: I made a site that helps you find LGBT+ Travel Rankings and Gay Laws

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Post by maxmalysh »

This map is terribly wrong for some parts of the ex-USSR and Asia.

Coming out as a gay person in Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan or Azerbaijan is dangerous. Dangerous as in "there is a high chance you'll be beaten up and a mild chance of being kidnapped and killed".

From the other side, Russia is not that bad. Not bad means "you can see gay people kissing on the streets without repercussions" (in the European part of the country).

Syria? Oman? Just no comments.

Re: Show HN: I made a site that helps you find LGBT+ Travel Rankings and Gay Laws

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Post by lawlorino »

Personally I'd like to see more information and transparency about how the ratings are calculated and where the data is coming from for me to put faith in the website and methodology, since that's the whole premise.

For example what does X% discrimination or persecution actually mean? How is that quantified and why is it a percentage?

Edit: another thing that doesn't give me confidence in the website are the frequent spelling errors, this is copy and pasted from the Netherlands description and there is a mistake in almost every sentence.

> Netherlands is part of Europe with main city at Amsterdam. Its Developed country with a population of 17M people. The main currency is Euro. The languages spoken are Dutch. the Kingdom of the Netherlands is the formal name of Netherlands It is adviced to Exercise normal safety precautions

Re: Show HN: I made a site that helps you find LGBT+ Travel Rankings and Gay Laws

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Post by 1hakr »

mkl wrote: post #14

It looks like you have a typo: "civit rights" instead of "civil rights". Where do the numbers come from?

Thanks! fixed it. I got the data from https://spartacus.gayguide.travel/blog/spartacus-gay-travel-... which is also present in wikipedia

Re: Show HN: I made a site that helps you find LGBT+ Travel Rankings and Gay Laws

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Post by 1hakr »

lawlorino wrote: post #24

Personally I'd like to see more information and transparency about how the ratings are calculated and where the data is coming from for me to put faith in the website and methodology, since that's the whole premise. For example what does X% discrimination or persecution actually mean? How is that quantified and why is it a percentage? Edit: another thing that doesn't give me confidence in the website are the frequent…

I got the actual data from https://spartacus.gayguide.travel/blog/spartacus-gay-travel-... I just made it a percent to make it easy to compare and understand.

Re: Show HN: I made a site that helps you find LGBT+ Travel Rankings and Gay Laws

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Post by 1hakr »

maxmalysh wrote: post #23

This map is terribly wrong for some parts of the ex-USSR and Asia. Coming out as a gay person in Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan or Azerbaijan is dangerous. Dangerous as in "there is a high chance you'll be beaten up and a mild chance of being kidnapped and killed". From the other side, Russia is not that bad. Not bad means "you can see gay people kissing on the streets without repercussions" (in the European part of the coun…

I believe Spartacus is a very reputable site for the gay community and this data is based on that https://spartacus.gayguide.travel/blog/spartacus-gay-travel-...

Re: Show HN: I made a site that helps you find LGBT+ Travel Rankings and Gay Laws

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Post by 1hakr »

dubcanada wrote: post #21
ainar-g wrote: post #17

https://visalist.io/russia/gay-travel > The main currency is undefined. It's the Russian Rouble (RUB). > the Russian Federation is the formal name of undefined I'm not sure what this is supposed to say, but according to the Russian constitution, the names “Russia” and “the Russian Federation” are synonymous. At first I was surprised at how low the Russian Federation is on the list, but then I remembered that Chechnya…

It seems to be based on laws mostly. So I am guessing due to Russia's rather terrible laws towards LGBT that's why it is so low. But everyone that I clicked on had a lot of undefined data.

fixed the bug

Re: Show HN: I made a site that helps you find LGBT+ Travel Rankings and Gay Laws

#29

Post by hardtoswallow »

As a gay man, you're safer and better off in Singapore than you would be in most parts of Europe and the top portion of the list. Yet Singapore is down at 92.

Interpret this however you want, but the list flawed. Laws don't mean shit unless they're enforced and that goes both ways. "Bad" laws not enforced is better than good laws not enforced.

Re: Show HN: I made a site that helps you find LGBT+ Travel Rankings and Gay Laws

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Post by sersi »

Not sure about the accuracy. France says locals hostile at 33% while Russia only has locals hostile at 17% and locals hostile at 0% in Singapore...Oh and locals hostile at 17% in Saudi Arabia!!!

I'd say those numbers are totally wrong. This is the kind of project where hacking a quick solution together could lead to bad consequences so care should be taken with the numbers you give.

I wonder if this is because of how you convert to percentages? I haven't looked yet at the data in spartacus.

Also it is true that there's a difference between gay tourists who are less likely to be bothered in certain religious countries compared to residents.

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