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Re: More Than 750M Worldwide Would Migrate If They Could

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Post by timoth » Fri, Jan 31, 2020, 9:55 PM UTC

jermaustin1 wrote: post #119

mrighele wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't understand why I should not be allowed to take a 2 year vacation in another country without having to leave every 6 months and pray the border agent doesn't find it suspicious that I keep coming back. If you live in a country for 50%+1 days of a solar year you're considered resident in that country and this has a number of implications (first of all taxes). I guess that's why you can't get more that 6 month…

I know the UK allows you 180 days continuous stay, and then you have to leave, but can technically just wait a day and come back, the only problem is the border agent might not like it.

If you're in the UK for more than 183 days in the tax year (6 Apr to the next 5 Apr), you're classed as resident though.

https://www.gov.uk/hmrc-internal-manuals/residence-domicile-...

Up to 60 days can be disregarded in the case of "exceptional circumstances", which generally have to be pretty extreme.

Re: More Than 750M Worldwide Would Migrate If They Could

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Post by timoth » Fri, Jan 31, 2020, 9:58 PM UTC

pushpop wrote: post #74

notyourwork wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An American citizen can freely move to any state in the United States. A citizen of European countries may or may not be able to freely move to other European countries without citizenship related changes, visas or other sponsorship.

You can move freely amongst counties in the Schengen Area, which is a subset of EU counties (which itself is a subset of European counties). > The free movement of persons is a fundamental right guaranteed by the EU to its citizens. It entitles every EU citizen to travel, work and live in any EU country without special formalities. Source: https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/what-we-do/policies/border... As an aside, t…

You can move freely among EU countries, not just Schengen countries. Schengen isn't just a subset of EU countries -- it's many EU countries and some non-EU countries, and it's to do with a lack of border checks rather than the basic freedom of movement right.

Re: More Than 750M Worldwide Would Migrate If They Could

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Post by TheChaplain » Fri, Jan 31, 2020, 11:34 PM UTC

fehyjn wrote: post #5

Still don’t understand why I can’t just move to another country... I have a degree, no criminal records. But I need visas, permits, etc. Why all this difficulties?

Because there are people who ruin it for you by fake degrees, changing identities to hide criminal activities and so on.

Re: More Than 750M Worldwide Would Migrate If They Could

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Post by itqwertz » Sat, Feb 01, 2020, 12:23 AM UTC

haunter wrote: post #33

And they will. I think the current migration crisis in Europe is nothing compared to when the Sahel will be finally total uninhabitable all those people will move to Europe. And with the current speed of the global warming I don't think it's that far away.

The burden of responsibility lies with the Africans, whose numbers are artificially inflated due to religious ideology and Western aid. Migrating to Europe will not alleviate the lack of self-sustainability.

The same could be said of immigration movements in North and Latin America. Taking advantage of legal loopholes and dubious claims of persecution for asylum does not improve their home countries.

Re: More Than 750M Worldwide Would Migrate If They Could

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Post by ghufran_syed » Sat, Feb 01, 2020, 3:38 AM UTC

streb-lo wrote: post #78

ravenstine wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because different groups of people have their own interests, shared culture, etc. Just because you don't mind a homogeneous global culture doesn't meant that others do or should.

Why should people in CA let people from OK move there? They probably have more in common with major metropolises world-wide than they do a rural farming community they happen to share a nation with. People are pointing out the hypocrisy in the selective application of freedom-of-movement. There may or may not be valid reasons for this but don't pretend its grounded in self-determination.

Because the people of California and the people of Oklahoma both agreed to become part of the "United States", and in turn, the existing United States at the time also agreed to let them join. And the US Constitution and rules say that the residents of the states can move between them. So "self-determination" does seem like an important part of the reason.

There is no reason in theory why, say, Mexico couldn't apply to become part of the United States and the US accept them, but I suspect the reason this kind of thing doesn't happen any more is 1) being a leader of a nation state is much more fun / fulfilling than being governor of a state in the US, so why would the leaders of a country ever agree to it? and 2) the level of welfare spending under existing rules in the US would require a massive wealth transfer to any new state that isn't as developed an economy.

Personally, I still think it would be worth it for both the US and any state that wanted to join, but I don't think it will ever happen again.

Re: More Than 750M Worldwide Would Migrate If They Could

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Post by dang » Sat, Feb 01, 2020, 4:11 AM UTC

itqwertz wrote: post #144

haunter wrote: post #33

And they will. I think the current migration crisis in Europe is nothing compared to when the Sahel will be finally total uninhabitable all those people will move to Europe. And with the current speed of the global warming I don't think it's that far away.

The burden of responsibility lies with the Africans, whose numbers are artificially inflated due to religious ideology and Western aid. Migrating to Europe will not alleviate the lack of self-sustainability. The same could be said of immigration movements in North and Latin America. Taking advantage of legal loopholes and dubious claims of persecution for asylum does not improve their home countries.

Please don't post racewar flamebait, or whatever this is, to Hacker News. We're trying not to step into those circles of hell here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: More Than 750M Worldwide Would Migrate If They Could

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Post by Proven » Sat, Feb 01, 2020, 4:24 AM UTC

The EU experiment that attempted to speed this up has failed miserably.

Re: More Than 750M Worldwide Would Migrate If They Could

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Post by Torches71 » Sat, Feb 01, 2020, 5:13 AM UTC

harikb wrote: post #53

wpasc wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wasn't travel across great distances commensurately difficult, making such restrictions unnecessary even if they weren't desired?

It was also common for people to randomly get killed, barbarically, when crossing/migrating to another place uninvited.

The word you're looking for is "invaders".

Re: More Than 750M Worldwide Would Migrate If They Could

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Post by Torches71 » Sat, Feb 01, 2020, 5:22 AM UTC

haunter wrote: post #33

And they will. I think the current migration crisis in Europe is nothing compared to when the Sahel will be finally total uninhabitable all those people will move to Europe. And with the current speed of the global warming I don't think it's that far away.

You say that as if you've completely abandoned the prospect of Europe defending herself. It's depressing at times seeing the state of affairs there, sure, but I think you'd be in the small minority of those who are this defeatist.

Perhaps these Africans will try to "move" to Europe. That much might be inevitable. But while many Europeans are currently in a state of fuzzy naivety propped up by the dwindling luxuries their ancestors afforded them, I suspect an invasion of that magnitude - and yes, by any rational definition, that's an invasion - will easily meet the threshold for the awakening of their survival instinct and a United defence of whatevers left of their once-great nations.

Re: More Than 750M Worldwide Would Migrate If They Could

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Post by Torches71 » Sat, Feb 01, 2020, 5:26 AM UTC

Blake_Emigro wrote: post #118

I've worked in this industry for a while, helping people immigrate to Canada, and one interesting thing I've experienced are newcomers that don't want their former peers following them. They left for a different way of life and don't want the past recreated in their new home. For myself I tend to agree - I want to help those that believe moving to my home country will improve their lives, while at the same time want…

These people openly tell you that living among them must be avoided at all costs, and yet you work to subject our children to a future of living among them?

I'm honestly furious. Shame on you.