Scientists claim to find HIV virus-like insertions in the 2019-nCov [pdf]

Post by AnimalMuppet » Sat, Feb 01, 2020, 12:13 AM UTC

folli wrote: post #135

Palptine wrote: post #132

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Large HIV database inflating matches is indeed a big concern. But dismissing one miss matches sounds arbitrary: these segments were not arbitrarily selected, but real insertions on tops of sars.

Again, take any random six letter amino acid sequence and chances are high that it matches to some HIV protein. I just did the experiment with my first name that is coincidentally 6 letters long, and lo and behold: a match to HIV env protein! Has my first name now been designed by a bioweapons facility?

Post by ngcc_hk » Sat, Feb 01, 2020, 1:51 AM UTC

sterlind wrote: post #104

T-A wrote: post #69

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China is a signatory to the Biological Weapons Convention [1]. The US State Department regularly issues a compliance report about it (and other international agreements). Here [2] is how it summarized China's compliance in August 2019: "Information indicates that the People’s Republic of China (China) engaged during the reporting period in biological activities with potential dual-use applications, which raises conce…

One of the issues in treaty monitoring for bioweapons is that so much research is inherently dual-use. The CDC synthesized Spanish flu and infected primates to study why it was so lethal.. they've even tweaked regular strains of flu to make them more lethal, in order to study what genetic factors influence virulence and mortality. There are legitimate, compelling reasons to make even genetically engineered pathogens.…

Post by ngcc_hk » Sat, Feb 01, 2020, 2:30 AM UTC

xvector wrote: post #127

fapjacks wrote: post #93

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Be advised that there are many posts on Chinese social media claiming the crematoriums are backlogged with people whose listed cause of death is "viral pneumonia" (or just "pneumonia") because hospitals are turning away so many and diagnostics are not catching up. Do not take statistical reporting for granted: The numbers are a best case scenario of definitive knowns. Also, bioweapons have as diverse a variety of use…

While I think China is hiding the number of infected, it'd be pretty hard to hide the proportion of dead to infected as the virus has already escaped Wuhan.

Post by ngcc_hk » Sat, Feb 01, 2020, 2:34 AM UTC

tomrod wrote: post #14

That's very, very disturbing. If this is an engineered virus, why as a race do we keep doing these things to ourselves? Do we _really_ think that weapons of mass destruction won't be turned on us? Is our hubris so high that we think no one else can replicate what we built?

Post by folli » Sat, Feb 01, 2020, 7:46 AM UTC

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #141

folli wrote: post #135

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Again, take any random six letter amino acid sequence and chances are high that it matches to some HIV protein. I just did the experiment with my first name that is coincidentally 6 letters long, and lo and behold: a match to HIV env protein! Has my first name now been designed by a bioweapons facility?

> Has my first name now been designed by a bioweapons facility? No, of course not. Your parents were designed by a bioweapons facility, so that they would choose that name. ;-)