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Scientists claim to find HIV virus-like insertions in the 2019-nCov [pdf]

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Re: Scientists claim to find HIV virus-like insertions in the 2019-nCov [pdf]

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post #14

That's very, very disturbing. If this is an engineered virus, why as a race do we keep doing these things to ourselves? Do we _really_ think that weapons of mass destruction won't be turned on us? Is our hubris so high that we think no one else can replicate what we built?

If a horrible weapon can be built, it will be built. And it is better to be the one building the weapon than the one at the mercy of those who built it.

Re: Scientists claim to find HIV virus-like insertions in the 2019-nCov [pdf]

#72
post #38

This is especially interesting since there have been reports that China was testing HIV treatments on patients with the coronavirus: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-abbvie-hiv/c...

Yes they are BUT it's my understanding those HIV drugs had already been used against SARS and found helpful in an anecdotal way. So it would be an obvious first go-to drug.

Re: Scientists claim to find HIV virus-like insertions in the 2019-nCov [pdf]

#73
post #38

This is especially interesting since there have been reports that China was testing HIV treatments on patients with the coronavirus: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-abbvie-hiv/c...

HIV drugs were used on SARS over a decade ago. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15144898

It shouldn't be surprising that this new virus that is related to SARS can also be treated by HIV antiviral drugs.

Re: Scientists claim to find HIV virus-like insertions in the 2019-nCov [pdf]

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post #70
post #61

Why was this submission suddenly so heavily penalized by the mod(s)?

Users can press the “flag” button for content that is off-topic. I flagged this article because it is an unreviewed pre-print paper that has been rushed out by its authors, who clearly have not investigated any of the most obvious follow-up questions, such as “what is the probability of this occurring naturally?”

>who clearly have not investigated any of the most obvious follow-up questions, such as “what is the probability of this occurring naturally?”

If it's true then the cause is an entirely different question.

Re: Scientists claim to find HIV virus-like insertions in the 2019-nCov [pdf]

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post #70
post #61

Why was this submission suddenly so heavily penalized by the mod(s)?

Users can press the “flag” button for content that is off-topic. I flagged this article because it is an unreviewed pre-print paper that has been rushed out by its authors, who clearly have not investigated any of the most obvious follow-up questions, such as “what is the probability of this occurring naturally?”

Okay so we definitely need to flag any machine learning papers from Arxiv because hey preprint.

Further, do you assume that other members cannot read the preprint warning and decide for themselves? This strikes me as some sort of bizarre way to patronize the entire community.

Re: Scientists claim to find HIV virus-like insertions in the 2019-nCov [pdf]

#77
post #4

A thread by an epidemiologist on the new results: https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1223305946723704832

This has been pointed out in previous threads, but this Twitter is full of alarmist unscientific BS and it appears to be spammed with some regularity on HN recently.

Alarmist, yes. Unscientific BS, not really. He’s got the background to make comments from a position of legitimacy. If we can’t trust this guy, even with some healthy skepticism, who should we trust?

https://scholar.harvard.edu/ericding/home

Edit: by trust, I don’t mean blindly believe, but mean one should consider his comments seriously.

Re: Scientists claim to find HIV virus-like insertions in the 2019-nCov [pdf]

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post #61

Why was this submission suddenly so heavily penalized by the mod(s)?

Could be automod stuff. I have read a few hypothesis a couple of times about things that can trigger automodding, like many upvotes but few comments, or lots of deeply nested comments very quickly.

Re: Scientists claim to find HIV virus-like insertions in the 2019-nCov [pdf]

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post #60

I'm not saying I believe the conspiracies, but it would be a pretty scary future if a totalitarian nation decided to quietly immunize their population (or just a selected elite) from a pathogen designed by themselves, and if push comes to shove you have a bioweapon that will do the job for you, which you know the people you care about can't contract. It's like a smart nuke.

Given historical experimentation by the military and intelligence agencies it seems pretty likely that this sort of research is happening.

Re: Scientists claim to find HIV virus-like insertions in the 2019-nCov [pdf]

#80

If someone with deep pockets may be liable, there will be a well funded effort to debunk this.

You mean like the government of China?

...or a well funded PR campaign to assign blame to somebody else.
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