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More Than 750M Worldwide Would Migrate If They Could

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Re: More Than 750M Worldwide Would Migrate If They Could

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Post by magila »

refurb wrote: post #8
fehyjn wrote: post #5

Still don’t understand why I can’t just move to another country... I have a degree, no criminal records. But I need visas, permits, etc. Why all this difficulties?

I think the poll answers your question. It would be a little bit disruptive if 140M people suddenly moved to the US.

If we just threw open the flood gates sure, but that's far from the only option. Simply increasing the immigration quotas gradually year-over-year would eventually allow an equilibrium to be reached without creating a large shock to the economy.

Re: More Than 750M Worldwide Would Migrate If They Could

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Post by jaywalk »

jermaustin1 wrote: post #43

First World Problem, I know, but: I don't understand why I should not be allowed to take a 2 year vacation in another country without having to leave every 6 months and pray the border agent doesn't find it suspicious that I keep coming back. I don't want to take someone's job, or milk the welfare system, and I would be a net positive to anywhere I decided to vacation (sales tax/VAT, property tax, hotel tax, income t…

> I don't want to take someone's job, or milk the welfare system

How are they supposed to know that? A two year vacation is extraordinarily strange.

Re: More Than 750M Worldwide Would Migrate If They Could

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Post by harikb »

wpasc wrote: post #32
baybal2 wrote: post #26

I'd add some background to what fehyjn says below. The entire world was relatively borderess prior to 20th century, and it was completely outside of humanly possible for the state anywhere to keep tap on every individual. If you talk about the period from medieval, to early renaissance. It was very natural for every polity to want to get more subjects. Feudal lords couldn't have been more happy to see more people mig…

Wasn't travel across great distances commensurately difficult, making such restrictions unnecessary even if they weren't desired?

It was also common for people to randomly get killed, barbarically, when crossing/migrating to another place uninvited.

Re: More Than 750M Worldwide Would Migrate If They Could

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Post by petschge »

notyourwork wrote: post #40
orf wrote: post #13

Looking at those numbers, isn’t the EU the most desired place to migrate to? Feels odd to not split the USA into its member states while splitting Europe up. How many of those potential migrants want to move to Texas vs Spain?

An American citizen can freely move to any state in the United States. A citizen of European countries may or may not be able to freely move to other European countries without citizenship related changes, visas or other sponsorship.

Within the EU movement if fairly unrestricted and does not require anything that you listed. Go check http://www.europarl.europa.eu/factsheets/en/sheet/147/free-m...

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Post by jeffdavis »

fehyjn wrote: post #5

Still don’t understand why I can’t just move to another country... I have a degree, no criminal records. But I need visas, permits, etc. Why all this difficulties?

In theory, if people move around a lot they have less incentive to think and act for the long term in any one place.

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Post by Joe-Z »

baybal2 wrote: post #26

I'd add some background to what fehyjn says below. The entire world was relatively borderess prior to 20th century, and it was completely outside of humanly possible for the state anywhere to keep tap on every individual. If you talk about the period from medieval, to early renaissance. It was very natural for every polity to want to get more subjects. Feudal lords couldn't have been more happy to see more people mig…

Why do you not just post your reply to his comment as an actual reply to his comment?

Your point is an interesting addition (have you read "The Art of Not Being Governed" by any chance?) but this seems to me to just be for the sake of getting more karma, which I will not support.

Re: More Than 750M Worldwide Would Migrate If They Could

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Post by jermaustin1 »

jaywalk wrote: post #52
jermaustin1 wrote: post #43

First World Problem, I know, but: I don't understand why I should not be allowed to take a 2 year vacation in another country without having to leave every 6 months and pray the border agent doesn't find it suspicious that I keep coming back. I don't want to take someone's job, or milk the welfare system, and I would be a net positive to anywhere I decided to vacation (sales tax/VAT, property tax, hotel tax, income t…

> I don't want to take someone's job, or milk the welfare system How are they supposed to know that? A two year vacation is extraordinarily strange.

Proof of self sufficiency.

Re: More Than 750M Worldwide Would Migrate If They Could

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Post by fxtentacle »

jermaustin1 wrote: post #43

First World Problem, I know, but: I don't understand why I should not be allowed to take a 2 year vacation in another country without having to leave every 6 months and pray the border agent doesn't find it suspicious that I keep coming back. I don't want to take someone's job, or milk the welfare system, and I would be a net positive to anywhere I decided to vacation (sales tax/VAT, property tax, hotel tax, income t…

Because other people that seemed to be like you based on easily measurable characteristics tried to stay after all.

That said, apart from the US, I wouldn't know any country where a rich German citizen couldn't get a long-term business or investment visa.

Re: More Than 750M Worldwide Would Migrate If They Could

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Post by sp332 »

orf wrote: post #13

Looking at those numbers, isn’t the EU the most desired place to migrate to? Feels odd to not split the USA into its member states while splitting Europe up. How many of those potential migrants want to move to Texas vs Spain?

There's a recent model of what migration within America will look like. https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/01/as-sea-levels-rise-l...
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