I would have a 1,000,000,000.00 USD a year salary if I could. Just saying.
More Than 750M Worldwide Would Migrate If They Could
41–50 of 157 posts
Re: More Than 750M Worldwide Would Migrate If They Could
#42i don't believe in borders and if you believe in the free market then you shouldn't either. of course this is heretical and people will immediately jump down your throat about culture and patriotism and etc as a diversion from the material fact that it's only about profits. right now globalization is very profitable for the west because manufacturers can arbitrage the differences in cost of living. it's not technical…
>i don't believe in borders and if you believe in the free market then you shouldn't either
"Free" doesn't necessarily mean unregulated or without limitations. If you want to scrap a norm as old as borders there's going to be a dazzling amount of fallout given that the people that built nations were led to believe that they were building collective homes for themselves rather than mere "markets" for global corporations.
Utopian optimism about Big Changes, like tech had in the early days (before the reality of mass surveillance, algorithmic perception manipulation, online mobs, etc. emerged) tends to be proven wrong.
If some small country wants to test open borders then great, but this idea that some Big Change will be so beneficial that we should push for its widespread implementation without testing is kinda nutty.
Re: More Than 750M Worldwide Would Migrate If They Could
#43First World Problem, I know, but:
I don't understand why I should not be allowed to take a 2 year vacation in another country without having to leave every 6 months and pray the border agent doesn't find it suspicious that I keep coming back.
I don't want to take someone's job, or milk the welfare system, and I would be a net positive to anywhere I decided to vacation (sales tax/VAT, property tax, hotel tax, income tax from the profits off all the crap I bought to live, etc).
I'd be happy if I still had to apply for a visa, but the typical 6 month visa prevents me from easily signing a lease.
Re: More Than 750M Worldwide Would Migrate If They Could
#44Still don’t understand why I can’t just move to another country... I have a degree, no criminal records. But I need visas, permits, etc. Why all this difficulties?
Example: San Francisco. Immigration policies aren't just about 'keeping the bad ones out', it's also about 'hey, how many people can we realistically bring into this economy over a given timeframe'?
If bringing people into the SF economy were actually a policy goal, you'd see very different policies deployed to that end. In fact, it seems like what's been decided is that we ought not bring more people into the economy (not because it's infeasible, just because we don't want to), so we are going to make it as painful as we possibly can.
Re: More Than 750M Worldwide Would Migrate If They Could
#45Still don’t understand why I can’t just move to another country... I have a degree, no criminal records. But I need visas, permits, etc. Why all this difficulties?
Example: San Francisco. Immigration policies aren't just about 'keeping the bad ones out', it's also about 'hey, how many people can we realistically bring into this economy over a given timeframe'?
Completely agree. SF is starting to see its set of socio-economic and cultural challenges and the situation might get worse before/if it gets better. A city of 800k can not take the bunt of 2M people without there being consequences. Local Govt policies aren't helping either.
Re: More Than 750M Worldwide Would Migrate If They Could
#46Re: More Than 750M Worldwide Would Migrate If They Could
#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
technology changes the rules of free market. 300 years ago you couldn't move thousands of people across the planet in a day. Migration was slow and sustainable. Technology + No borders can destroy entire cultures.
> Technology + No borders can destroy entire cultures. And that's a good thing. The strong cultures will survive. I don't care if it is mine or not. If it is better, it's in my interest that it wins, and that I adopt it. If you think differently, take a second to think about the implications: what exactly do you gain from a culture so weak that it can be destroyed by technology and a little immigration? Do you get so…
Stronger in what sense? Eradicating other cultures/people? Brainwashing/controlling people not to change their beliefs and stick to their culture? Are these properties you think are desirable in a culture?
Re: More Than 750M Worldwide Would Migrate If They Could
#48I wonder if this correlates to the resolution and frequency of social media use globally. I might be completely happy with my apartment and job in the EU, but seeing 'ads' for the US on social media every day may begin to chip away at my contentment through the introduction of a comparison.
> seeing 'ads' for the US on social media every day
What ads are you talking about?
Re: More Than 750M Worldwide Would Migrate If They Could
#49i don't believe in borders and if you believe in the free market then you shouldn't either. of course this is heretical and people will immediately jump down your throat about culture and patriotism and etc as a diversion from the material fact that it's only about profits. right now globalization is very profitable for the west because manufacturers can arbitrage the differences in cost of living. it's not technical…
I'd wager that as soon as the first homeless* person puts their tent in your garden, you'll find walls, borders and land ownership a lot more attractive. *= made homeless due to the unequal distribution of wealth in so-called free markets But that, sadly, is what the difference between a desire to migrate and actual migration boils down to. Most people in Sub-Saharan Africa wouldn't be able to buy or rent a house in…
>I'd wager that as soon as the first homeless* person puts their tent in your garden, you'll find walls, borders and land ownership a lot more attractive.
you'd lose that wager. i've lived in the third world (africa) and my relationship to space and community is probably much different from yours.
Re: More Than 750M Worldwide Would Migrate If They Could
#50I'd add some background to what fehyjn says below. The entire world was relatively borderess prior to 20th century, and it was completely outside of humanly possible for the state anywhere to keep tap on every individual. If you talk about the period from medieval, to early renaissance. It was very natural for every polity to want to get more subjects. Feudal lords couldn't have been more happy to see more people mig…
History is full of folks complaining about migrations / stranges and states / groups taking action to prevent
/ persiculte newcomers, and travel was not easy.
I feel like your comment makes it seem a lot more fluid than it was for a group to simply migrate and enjoy their new country.