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More Than 750M Worldwide Would Migrate If They Could

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Re: More Than 750M Worldwide Would Migrate If They Could

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Post by 3fe9a03ccd14ca5 »

youcantthrow wrote: post #18
mrits wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very few people believe in a true free market. We have plenty of legit regulations around it and probably could use a few more to level things out.

>Very few people believe in a true free market great then let's introduce the free market* and retire the unadorned unqualified free market as an ideological and rhetorical tool. *subject to constraints that maintain status quo wealth and power

Which political parties believe in free market in 2020? You have one laying tariffs on everybody, and you have the other advocating for a strong federal government role in the markets. Nobody cares about free markets in 2020 and their politics are consistent with that.

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Post by eximius »

youcantthrow wrote: post #11

i don't believe in borders and if you believe in the free market then you shouldn't either. of course this is heretical and people will immediately jump down your throat about culture and patriotism and etc as a diversion from the material fact that it's only about profits. right now globalization is very profitable for the west because manufacturers can arbitrage the differences in cost of living. it's not technical…

what does 'believing in the free market' entail? I think the free market is necessary, but flawed. What does that mean I should believe about borders?

Re: More Than 750M Worldwide Would Migrate If They Could

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Post by foogazi »

mrits wrote: post #9

Bucketing all North America together made this less interesting. I can't help but think the reasons of migrating from Mexico would not be the same as US or Canadian citizens.

There’s an entry for Latin America & Caribbean which Mexico is a part of

An instead of North America it says ‘Northern America’ which makes me believe this refers to just the US & Canada

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Post by turk73 »

youcantthrow wrote: post #11

i don't believe in borders and if you believe in the free market then you shouldn't either. of course this is heretical and people will immediately jump down your throat about culture and patriotism and etc as a diversion from the material fact that it's only about profits. right now globalization is very profitable for the west because manufacturers can arbitrage the differences in cost of living. it's not technical…

So you will invite a bunch of strangers into your home and take care of them on your dime? That's awesome!

How do you know you don't like free markets? You've never lived within one, not one day of your entire life.

I spend a lot of time on Google maps looking around, especially the street views. I look around the UK a lot. I don't see a lot of prosperity there--the housing situation compared to most of the US is horrible. It looks like working class Americans have it way better than their British counterparts. Maybe I'm just not looking in the right places? I don't know, but Canada looks the same way--run down, beat to shit. That's socialism in a nutshell. Run down and beat to shit.

Re: More Than 750M Worldwide Would Migrate If They Could

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Post by eximius »

fehyjn wrote: post #5

Still don’t understand why I can’t just move to another country... I have a degree, no criminal records. But I need visas, permits, etc. Why all this difficulties?

Example: San Francisco.

Immigration policies aren't just about 'keeping the bad ones out', it's also about 'hey, how many people can we realistically bring into this economy over a given timeframe'?

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Post by baybal2 »

I'd add some background to what fehyjn says below.

The entire world was relatively borderess prior to 20th century, and it was completely outside of humanly possible for the state anywhere to keep tap on every individual.

If you talk about the period from medieval, to early renaissance. It was very natural for every polity to want to get more subjects. Feudal lords couldn't have been more happy to see more people migrating to their domains.

Things started changed with appearance of early nation state model in late renaissance. The more central the role of the nation state got, the further right was the centre of power.

All of the above culminated with introduction of the visa system in Europe, shortly prior to WWII, which was later adopted by nearly all nations around the world.

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Post by zyang »

refurb wrote: post #8
fehyjn wrote: post #5

Still don’t understand why I can’t just move to another country... I have a degree, no criminal records. But I need visas, permits, etc. Why all this difficulties?

I think the poll answers your question. It would be a little bit disruptive if 140M people suddenly moved to the US.

I bet the food would be delicious.

Re: More Than 750M Worldwide Would Migrate If They Could

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Post by toddh »

youcantthrow wrote: post #11

i don't believe in borders and if you believe in the free market then you shouldn't either. of course this is heretical and people will immediately jump down your throat about culture and patriotism and etc as a diversion from the material fact that it's only about profits. right now globalization is very profitable for the west because manufacturers can arbitrage the differences in cost of living. it's not technical…

It's odd how the free market is never itself subject to selection by a free market. It always must be imposed because people seem to like constraints.

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Post by 1996 »

devmunchies wrote: post #16
youcantthrow wrote: post #11

i don't believe in borders and if you believe in the free market then you shouldn't either. of course this is heretical and people will immediately jump down your throat about culture and patriotism and etc as a diversion from the material fact that it's only about profits. right now globalization is very profitable for the west because manufacturers can arbitrage the differences in cost of living. it's not technical…

technology changes the rules of free market. 300 years ago you couldn't move thousands of people across the planet in a day. Migration was slow and sustainable. Technology + No borders can destroy entire cultures.

> Technology + No borders can destroy entire cultures.

And that's a good thing.

The strong cultures will survive. I don't care if it is mine or not. If it is better, it's in my interest that it wins, and that I adopt it.

If you think differently, take a second to think about the implications: what exactly do you gain from a culture so weak that it can be destroyed by technology and a little immigration?

Do you get some pride? Ok then, how much is that pride worth? What about for your children?

When I look at Quebec and their desperate fight to try to impose french schooling, I conclude that people would naturally prefer to learn English and take the financial advantages that come with it - if not for them, for their children. This reeks of hypocrisy.

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Post by tluyben2 »

jcpsimmons wrote: post #10

I wonder if this correlates to the resolution and frequency of social media use globally. I might be completely happy with my apartment and job in the EU, but seeing 'ads' for the US on social media every day may begin to chip away at my contentment through the introduction of a comparison.

I have the reverse; those ‘ads’ (people talking about the US) make me happier about living in the EU. But you probably have a point that it makes people compare and then it is all down to situation and taste I guess.
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