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Re: WHO declares coronavirus outbreak a public health emergency

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I think you're a bit off the mark. Healthcare is cheap in China, but people are even poorer. Only rich people can afford the important stuff. It's common for young people from poor families to work or forgo their education to pay their sick parent's medical costs. Usually old people just die because they can't afford medical care where in the west, they would be treated. Also doctors are poorly paid and commonly supp…

> Insurance? Yes, that exists but the excess is often something like 1/3 the total cost so if you couldn't afford it yourself, you still can't afford it with insurance. In the USA or China?

China

Re: WHO declares coronavirus outbreak a public health emergency

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>Last Update: Jan 30, 2020 11 am EST. It is not a real-time map, I find it bizarre that people believe that we can track the population's wellbeing in real-time. Are you ready to be hooked up to such a system?

Although not on topic, I think you point highlights a rather unaddressed issue with data and systems relevance. As you imply, not only is it inherently not possible to track a whole population's "wellbeing", doing so in "real-time" is even more ludicrous. So many measures and metrics are really nothing more than utter fabrications that are totally incompatible in spite of being named similarly, and no, that hardly ev…

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Re: WHO declares coronavirus outbreak a public health emergency

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Hygiene practices can prevent the spread of diseases like this. Wash your hands, don't touch your face, etc. Wear a surgical mask and limit interactions with others if you're sick. But this virus spreads via droplet transmission, so just being within 6 feet of someone who's infected (and coughs/sneezes) is enough to spread it. If you're referring to the overuse of hand sanitizer and other disinfectant agents, it migh…

"But this virus spreads via droplet transmission, so just being within 6 feet of someone who's infected (and coughs/sneezes) is enough to spread it." On the other hand, people don't seem to be symptomatic for 2 weeks, so they won't be coughing or sneezing during that time, so ordinary hygiene should be enough to prevent most infections during the incubation period. After people do become symptomatic, the widespread m…

It would make sense that risk is lower before symptoms appear, but it's still there.

Everybody sneezes occasionally, coughs to clear their throat, etc. Smokers more so.

Re: WHO declares coronavirus outbreak a public health emergency

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In other words, it is a plot of data that is regularly updated. No, it's updated quite irregularly. Given the time difference between the East Coast and China I'd expect that quite a bit of delay is to be expected between information being released and CSSE updating their site. They're also combining data from different sources and clearly are batching updates together. https://i.imgur.com/pL1Kg0A.png

So: In other words, it is a plot of data that is quite regularly updated.

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Re: WHO declares coronavirus outbreak a public health emergency

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We all seem to be talking about guesstimates and data we can't be sure of, but I see little talk of what we can do . If this were a tech problem - a big problem that seemed insurmountable - I would break it down into chunks as best I could, look at all the parts of the chain, and ask myself which I could be most effective in tackling first. Treat it like a sprint. Which part of the chain would that be? With the cavea…

Well, as far as throwing pasta at the wall - it sounds a little bit like Engineer's disease to think that we can come up with a solution by thinking hard on the problem https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10812975

Obviously I'm as arrogant as the the next guy, but I think that arrogant next guy is probably already working on this issue and has a bunch of background in domain expertise and specific knowledge of the logistics I won't manage in a side project while commenting in between fixing bugs on the Equity/Credit analysis app I'm working on right now.

Just my 2 cents, and 2 cents is not worth much in this economy.

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I think you mean 1 strand of the flu has a vaccine that only a small percentage of the public administer.

Usually it's a 4-strain vaccine but your point stands.

But, it has a vaccine. If it were necessary to prevent a pandemic, governments around the world could create emergency vaccination programs and emergency production programs for more of the vaccine, and they could be tailored to the strain that was creating the danger.

That's not an option to stop this Coronavirus at all.

Re: WHO declares coronavirus outbreak a public health emergency

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> China’s medical system is primitive by comparison. Comparison to what? Isn't US hostpitals notorious in that regard? Getting flu and either dying or being bankrupt.

At least you have options. Some countries only have the first.

Countries such as?

Re: WHO declares coronavirus outbreak a public health emergency

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For those who are referencing the flu and it's mortality rate here are estimates from the CDC for 2019 * 15,000,000 – 21,000,000 who had the flu * 8,200 – 20,000 deaths from the flu The morality rate ranges from 0.03% to 0.09% or 3/10000 9/10000 https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-e...

I would like the WHO to be as transparent as we demand China to be (and perhaps they are): At https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2... , you can see the standardized protocols for the hospitals dealing with 2019-nCov, such as the anonymizing CRF (Case Record Form): https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/who-nco... Which describes both the CORE and DAILY forms for an electronic dat…

You can. See this page:

https://www.who.int/healthinfo/statistics/en/

Use their API or the web search, however you like.

If you're going to complain about not having up to the minute data available for 2019-nCov, keep in mind that they're not getting the data submitted regularly from China, it's all in daily reports rather than from hospitals.

Re: WHO declares coronavirus outbreak a public health emergency

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This is (imo) the right course of action to (at minimum) alert countries wrt the gravity of this outbreak; however, I was disappointed to see the tiptoeing around potentially offending China. From the press conference, it seemed that Dr. Tedros made it painfully (maybe even unnecessarily) clear that this action wasn't faulting China for their handling of this situation. It's just weird to see that global politics is…

Seeing current situation, what positive things that can be gained from faulting China? Imo it may cause china to become hostile and turn off cooperation.

> what positive things that can be gained from faulting China?

Changes in their behavior.

Re: WHO declares coronavirus outbreak a public health emergency

#430

This is (imo) the right course of action to (at minimum) alert countries wrt the gravity of this outbreak; however, I was disappointed to see the tiptoeing around potentially offending China. From the press conference, it seemed that Dr. Tedros made it painfully (maybe even unnecessarily) clear that this action wasn't faulting China for their handling of this situation. It's just weird to see that global politics is…

Health care is rife with problems of shame, and how it prevents people from getting treatment, from STDs to drug dependency to psychological conditions.

The WHO is simply simply scaling up some tactics used in routine care to the nation-state level. Which, incidentally, is pretty close to their original charter.

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