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Re: CERN Ends Trial of Facebook Workplace

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Post by wlesieutre »

zaarn wrote: post #87
dsfyu404ed wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably a few ladders and some cleaning agents capable of creating slippery floors scattered around their facility as well.

I'm pretty sure you can kill people with their particle accelerator too if the particles hit you. You'd probably be int he vacuum of the accelerator though so unsure if you'd notice.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatoli_Bugorski

Didn't kill him, but "fatigue of mental work increased markedly," lost hearing in one ear, and half his face was paralyzed.

That was a 76 GeV proton beam, compared to the LHC at 6.5 TeV, or 85.5 times the energy per proton.

Re: CERN Ends Trial of Facebook Workplace

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Post by ethbro »

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #82
saalweachter wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They have both hammers and phone books, I'm sure.

Probably a few ladders and some cleaning agents capable of creating slippery floors scattered around their facility as well.

It was all well and good when it was just "Gordon, please push the sample cart into the beam."

Re: CERN Ends Trial of Facebook Workplace

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Post by ethbro »

deugtniet wrote: post #45
hoseja wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Glance at the site: https://home.cern/news (for example: https://home.cern/news/official-news/cern/staff-rules-and-re... ) It's basically an internal memo, except CERN posts them publicly.

Which is very normal state of affairs for research organizations. They try to reach as much of their employees / stakeholders as possible. You'd be surprised how often the work issued email address is not read.

> You'd be surprised how often the work issued email address is not read.

I would not.

Yes, I'm talking about you, IT security architects...

Re: CERN Ends Trial of Facebook Workplace

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Post by zaarn »

wlesieutre wrote: post #91
zaarn wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm pretty sure you can kill people with their particle accelerator too if the particles hit you. You'd probably be int he vacuum of the accelerator though so unsure if you'd notice.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatoli_Bugorski Didn't kill him, but "fatigue of mental work increased markedly," lost hearing in one ear, and half his face was paralyzed. That was a 76 GeV proton beam, compared to the LHC at 6.5 TeV, or 85.5 times the energy per proton.

The LHC will most likely not be as tame in comparison.

Re: CERN Ends Trial of Facebook Workplace

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Post by tudelo »

someonehere wrote: post #52

Fun fact. This tool was being developed internally at FB about ten years ago. They really couldn’t figure it out back then and it sounds like they can’t figure it out today. Internally before it was Workplace it was a decent tool that integrated with the public facing site. Unsure of how Workplace works today.

It works really well inside of FB -- good way to collaborate, teams have their own groups and then there are cross team groups etc. There can be a little too much information, but there are not many complaints in general about the productivity it brings. Not sure how well it works in other companies.

Re: CERN Ends Trial of Facebook Workplace

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Post by harunurhan »

HenryBemis wrote: post #50

I don't see this as price shaming. I see a HUGE "we don't trust these folks to begin with...". Facebook is cancer for humanity. It gives 1 and takes 50. And then dilligently finds ways to use that 50 to hurt you, for their profit. I wouldn't trust any sensitive information with them. And especially CERN? These guys have info and tech to end life. Some random admin with god-mode that will get bribed by Saudis/ wouldn'…

> And especially CERN? These guys have info and tech to end life

I work at CERN, no we do not.

Re: CERN Ends Trial of Facebook Workplace

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Post by jgalt212 »

filmgirlcw wrote: post #21

They only had 150 active users (despite 1000 signups), so choosing not to pay for the offering makes sense. I have the utmost respect for CERN as an institution — I want to make that clear. What I don’t love, however, is this trend that seems to be using a PR offensive of “price shaming” whenever contract or license terms change. I understand CERN is publicly funded and that it doesn’t have an unlimited budget. But I…

> CERN is publicly funded and that it doesn’t have an unlimited budget

Not strictly true.

With a budget of €7.5 billion (approx. $9bn or £6.19bn as of June 2010), the LHC is one of the most expensive scientific instruments[1] ever built.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider#Cost

That being said, it does seem publicly funded institutions do seem to have a lot more money to devote to plant and equipment (or anything you can put someone's name on) than software, services, or other small equipment that you cannot put someone's name on.

Re: CERN Ends Trial of Facebook Workplace

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Post by MuricaFYeah »

Maro wrote: post #43

I worked on Workplace at Facebook. It's super-cheap at $1-3 per MAU. If they like it, why not pay for it. OTOH if I were FB I'd give it to CERN for free.

Of course you'd say that facebook guy, but facebook has no place running anything from CERN or any other scientific org for that matter.

CERN shouldn't even have considered it in the first place. Might as well just install a fibre optic cable straight into Fort Meade and Langley to cut off the middle man.

Also, I'm pretty sure tomorrow or next week's news will be that facebook will in fact supply this tool out to CERN for free and cite some bs like "to give back" or "to support the scientific community". I hope I'm wrong but let's see how it goes.

Will we ever learn?

Re: CERN Ends Trial of Facebook Workplace

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Post by krapp »

harunurhan wrote: post #96
HenryBemis wrote: post #50

I don't see this as price shaming. I see a HUGE "we don't trust these folks to begin with...". Facebook is cancer for humanity. It gives 1 and takes 50. And then dilligently finds ways to use that 50 to hurt you, for their profit. I wouldn't trust any sensitive information with them. And especially CERN? These guys have info and tech to end life. Some random admin with god-mode that will get bribed by Saudis/ wouldn'…

> And especially CERN? These guys have info and tech to end life I work at CERN, no we do not.

I heard CERN broke the Matrix when they accidentally opened an occult black hole with the LHC and that's why things like the cornucopia on the Fruit of the Loom logo are getting erased from reality. /s

Re: CERN Ends Trial of Facebook Workplace

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Post by gmueckl »

swarnie_ wrote: post #44
Maro wrote: post #43

I worked on Workplace at Facebook. It's super-cheap at $1-3 per MAU. If they like it, why not pay for it. OTOH if I were FB I'd give it to CERN for free.

I'm forced to use Workplace in my company and i absolutely hate it. After 15 years of employers trying to keep employees off social media they're now trying to shove it back in again. While joined to around 100 groups in my global organisation the wall/feed thing becomes a very poor way to deliver technical information. Its intermingled with personal messages or a reminder about Jason from accounts upcoming birthday…

This sounds like a terribly mismanaged Workplace instance to me. Why should anyone be joined to 100 groups? That's a red flag right there. And if you can't move personal stuff off of Workplace, create separate groups for that that can be muted or left etc. This noisy personal stuff can easily exist in public groups that can be looked into by anyone if something comes up.
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