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Starlink Is a Big Deal

sneak.berlin

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Re: Starlink Is a Big Deal

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OK, I navigate to the site in Firefox 60.3.0esr (64-bit) in Debian, and allow everything in NoScript. Then I see this: > See Starlink > Click to search for viewing times at your location. So I click, and see a popup: > Will you allow james.darpinian.com to access your location? So I click on "Allow Location Access". Then I see "Loading", with a GIF. But nothing ever loads. Checking about:config, I see that NoScript l…

> Firefox 60 It's the old browser, not anything to do with your privacy settings. Sorry, when you decide to use an old and uncommon browser version the price you pay is that sites aren't going to be testing compatibility with it.

I had the same issue the first time I loaded the page on iOS 13.3 safari. Reloading the page fixed it. Having things be too automatic causes failures to be catastrophic rather than mild.

Re: Starlink Is a Big Deal

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12:10 AM Saturday in your device's time zone. 6:10 PM Friday in Boston's time zone. It's on my to-do list to change the displayed time zone when you select a faraway location instead of your current location, but just figuring out which time zone a given location is in is a non-trivial problem. Time zones are kind of bonkers, as I'm sure you're aware.

> 12:10 AM Saturday in your device's time zone. Oh, I see. That explains things, thanks! And yes, time zones are not just one kind of bonkers; they're all sorts of bonkers. :)

I just pushed a fix for timezones. It should convert to the local timezone if you choose a faraway location, and show the correct timezone abbreviation.

Re: Starlink Is a Big Deal

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Could you add dates and time zones to the events? I want to manually add one to my calendar correctly.

Times are always displayed in your local time zone according to your OS/web browser settings. Now that you mention it, I should put an "add to calendar" link in there.

I finished the "add to calendar" feature, and also I started converting and displaying time zones (if you choose a location that's outside your local time zone).

Re: Starlink Is a Big Deal

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The problem is that rich people live in areas that have good mobile coverage, and Starlink won't be very attractive to them. LTE can offer transfers better than 600 Mbps with lower latency today , and covers 99% of population (in the developed countries). 5G will get over 1 Gbps per sector and it's coming soon.

5G may hit 1 Gb/s peak, but I'm 100% sure that the major US carriers will throttle the crap out of it so that you don't get anywhere near that. I'm on Verizon in a decent sized city, and any streaming is throttled heavily. Speedtests work fine because the carriers know how to game them. But actual throughput on cellular sucks.

They throttle, because there is much more demand than available bandwidth. However in cellular networks, you can add more bandwidth relatively cheaply by adding more nodes in high demand areas, and the total bandwidth of a single node is already higher than the promised 600 Mbps of Starlink. Therefore Starlink is not a competitor to cellular networks, because it can't compete by throughout nor latency. It competes with coverage though, but I'm not sure of there are enough rich people in boats to cover the investment.

Re: Starlink Is a Big Deal

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The problem is that rich people live in areas that have good mobile coverage, and Starlink won't be very attractive to them. LTE can offer transfers better than 600 Mbps with lower latency today , and covers 99% of population (in the developed countries). 5G will get over 1 Gbps per sector and it's coming soon.

Industrial sensing equipment, airliners, high-frequency traders could all be some of the 'rich' first customers. They are all underserved by the LTE networks and have the money to pay for a reliable, low-latency connection.

Latency will be higher than LTE just because of the distance. And I'm not sure if a long distance satellite link would be more reliable than a local LTE link with a dedicated antenna.

Re: Starlink Is a Big Deal

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Just going to plug my Starlink tracker here: https://james.darpinian.com/satellites/?special=starlink It tells you when to go outside and look up to see the satellites as they pass over your house. It's a cool sight to see because there are up to 60 of them crossing the sky at the same time in a line.

I'd just like to say thank you so much for posting this link! Because of you, I went to a beach bonfire in New Zealand tonight, and had a beautiful view of Starlink at 10:02 pm. I was so excited when I saw it that I disturbed many other conversations, but other people were equally amazed!

Re: Starlink Is a Big Deal

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> For reference, my last flat in Berlin (the capital of the largest economy in the EU), on the ground on a main street in the city center, was serviced with approximately 14Mbps ADSL, and this was the fastest offering available from any vendor.

I have unmetered gigabit fiber (1G UP 1G DOWN) In london

Re: Starlink Is a Big Deal

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I suspect it will be an exclusive internet for Tesla customers at first.

Teslas mostly drive around in urban areas with too high of a density to be served by Starlink.

Too high a density of Tesla vehicles?

Re: Starlink Is a Big Deal

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The important question here is if Starlink will to generate enough revenue to keep SpaceX solvent.

From an analysis I read, there isn't enough external demand for SpaceX to be viable, profitable.

So they created their own internal demand as well as a potential alternate revenue stream.

Re: Starlink Is a Big Deal

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This landed earlier today. https://arxiv.org/abs/2001.10952 tl;dr: starlink and its competitors pose serious Earth-based observation problems across the spectrum (§§4.1-4.2) especially for faint variable objects which require long exposures and for which any missed pixels matter. The missed-pixels problems run around the clock, not just when the sattelites are visibly flaring, as do non-visible-spectrum noise problem…

From a first-principles perspective, it's baffling to me why this would ever be a serious problem. We know the ephemerides of all objects in Earth orbit, and they are traveling at a fast enough angular speed to not linger in an observational spot. We're not working with long-exposure film here - we can manipulate pixels over time. On a technical level it should be trivial to mask out the pixels where satellites are l…

We don't want to manipulate pixels; the goal is not to produce pretty pictures of known things. The goal is to collect as much data as possible about things which are not well understood (because, in part, of a lack of data), especially those that are time-varying on short human timescales.

The objects in question are often extremely faint, and even if one knows a lot of the details of periodic noise, removing the noise does not recover the faint signal.

> baffling

Stand by, there will be lot of professional science communication on this topic in due course.

> moon, 1%, ...

Suppose right now at the very limb of the sun we detect an extremely interesting light curve that is clearly not extragalactic yet still atypical of supernovae, but know that it is in the process of moving directly behind the sun (from our perspective). How do you propose to remove the sun from the image of the suspected supernova?

Here's a list of solar-system objects that moved directly behind the sun in 2019: https://sungrazer.nrl.navy.mil/index.php?p=transits/transits... This Christmas would have been an interesting time for 2010: The Year We Make Contact's great black spot of Jupiter to appear.

The moon also occults Jupiter fairly regularly. If Jupiter was doing something strange behind the moon, think of the loss for all the Earth-based observatories. Or would it be trivial for them to faithfully reconstruct the unusual behaviour of Jupiter?

Yes, the sun and moon are slow-moving, bright, and high-solid-angle obstructions compared to any spacecraft. However, so is Jupiter and a galactic supernova, and neither of them are usually interestingly variable on the scale of a glitching millisecond pulsar (for example) or the electromagnetic counterparts to a gravitational wave detection.

In short

> algorithms to erase satellite trails

are doing cosmetics, not astronomical or astrophysical research.

And if cosmetically you erase the wrong pixel, you miss out lots of observation time of events like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASASSN-15lh#Discovery and end up regretting missing early data (as in e.g. SN 1997D).

http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/asassn/index.shtml exists to avoid missing out on such things again, and if you have a thick skin, there's https://twitter.com/SuperASASSN

A recent tweet is interesting: 'This is, by the way, a discovery made in "astronomical twilight" - one way Itagaki and other amateur astronomers can discovered such events before professional astronomers is by observing fields (galaxies) quite close to the Sun.' (although that's in large part because bigger observatories deliberately aim away from the sun, because it's very noisy and its luminosity may damage sensitive detectors).

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