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Apple delivers a new redesigned Maps for users in the United States

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Re: Apple delivers a new redesigned Maps for users in the United States

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Google doesn't give your map collections to advertisers. It's true that Google gets to see them, but Apple is no better in that regard: they store your collections on their servers too (where else would they store them?).

Apple is better in that regard. End-to-end encryption Maps keeps your personal data in sync across all your devices using end-to-end encryption. Your Significant Locations and collections are encrypted end-to-end so Apple cannot read them. And when you share your ETA with other Maps users, Apple can’t see your location. Other useful sections on that page worth reading: "Location Fuzzing", "Random Identifiers", and "(…

_SHARED_ collections between multiple Apple users are not E2E encrypted.

Don't spread misinformation on privacy, it'll mislead people into sharing too much data.

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So Apple actually own the Data in the new Map? Or by that I mean Apple it itself it also part of the Data Source?

Yes, they originated all of the "Look-Around" data (equivalent to Street View), all of the 3D data, and much, if not all, of the road data. I believe they purchase satellite data. They built up their own fleet of vans. Today marks the last section of the country to switch over to the new system.

I have been wondering if it makes sense for Apple to also own the Satellite data with their own Satellite. Given how cheap it is to launch Satellite with Space X now. There was a rumours Apple hiring Satellite expert not a long while ago.

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direct link: https://www.justinobeirne.com/new-apple-maps-continental-uni...

It makes me sad that Apple followed Google with the idea of coloring maps green based on satellite photos of trees rather than actual parks. Why anyone in Silicon Valley thinks I give a shit where trees are is beyond me. I used to be able to pull up maps and instantly see any parks around me. Now they're practically invisible.

What? You aren't interested in forests unless they are in a park?

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Absolutely sure Google Maps A/B tests routes too. Even when sitting next to each other in the same car, Google Maps suggests radically different routes to the same destination on my wife’s phone than it does on mine, often with a 15+ min difference in arrival time. It must be testing different routing algorithms as otherwise they should be the same.

I think routing is one of those computationally expensive problems (possibly np-complete) to solve. As a result, there's a bunch of clever non-deterministic approaches that get you "pretty good" answers, but depending on the implementation can produce variable results.

A-to-B routing is simple and not very expensive. You can implement it without very much graph theory knowledge. It's when visiting a number of destinations in an arbitrary order that things get difficult.

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It’s sad that technology has actually regressed despite exponential increments in processing power and storage capacity. It used to be that you could buy a mapping software and install it on your PDA/Pocket PC and it would run fine despite a CPU speed in the mega hertz. Nowadays offline maps is some niche advanced feature despite even low-end devices have enough processing power to come preinstalled with an offline m…

Have you used offline maps in Google Maps? And compared it to the old mapping software you're talking about? It's kind of amazing, and frankly I often don't notice the difference between online and offline. The maps sync on a regular basis, it's got detailed information about businesses including hours open, and it will route you different ways based on anticipated traffic at that time of day. It's also surprisingly…

What's amazing about it? It just has a local copy of the data. Big deal.

Re: Apple delivers a new redesigned Maps for users in the United States

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Apple Maps has come a long way since its disastrous initial release. For about a year now, I have rarely used Google Maps. I typically find Apple Map's routing to be just as effective, even for avoiding traffic, accidents, etc.

The biggest improvements are only within the US, though. In most places in Europe, Google Maps is still way better.

Re: Apple delivers a new redesigned Maps for users in the United States

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Apple Maps has come a long way since its disastrous initial release. For about a year now, I have rarely used Google Maps. I typically find Apple Map's routing to be just as effective, even for avoiding traffic, accidents, etc.

The biggest improvements are only within the US, though. In most places in Europe, Google Maps is still way better.

It's appalling in Amsterdam and with no cycling directions it's useless.

Re: Apple delivers a new redesigned Maps for users in the United States

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There is no perfect map application in the world because of realistic data changes rapidly, especially the Indoor Map and Real-time transit. It's still a problem today. More 3D and redesign maybe improve user experience in the Apple Maps(they always good at it), but the accuracy and reliability are more important points.

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There are so many issues like this. People complain about TomTom maps never being updated in navigation systems because it's licensed, Apple Maps being crappy (or in this case, wrong), even Google Maps is often slow in updating (e.g. the tunnel in Maastricht took some time after it opened, which was known and announced years ahead) and very incomplete in terms of footpaths and trails. The USA is probably the worst ex…

Wow, OpenStreetMaps is worse which makes a bit of sense. Is there a good (step-by-step) tutorial on submitting data to OSM. I get the feeling if I can get the land grants people to submit their data it might make things a bit better.

Everyone is welcome to edit OSM!

Be careful about bulk uploading a pile of data you get. The licence has to be OK, and merging it into the existing OSM data can be pretty complicated. Imports are not suitable for beginners.

Re: Apple delivers a new redesigned Maps for users in the United States

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I think routing is one of those computationally expensive problems (possibly np-complete) to solve. As a result, there's a bunch of clever non-deterministic approaches that get you "pretty good" answers, but depending on the implementation can produce variable results.

A-to-B routing is simple and not very expensive. You can implement it without very much graph theory knowledge. It's when visiting a number of destinations in an arbitrary order that things get difficult.

A-to-B routing is simple in theory. In practice implementing A* on a graph of all the roads in the world is non-trivial. You'd need to figure out some way to split the data up into chunks or to make neighbourhood lookups fast enough to be workable. I'd imagine you'd end up with something of at least the complexity of hierarchical A, but depending on the size of your chunks you'd need to still special-case the start and end chunks. And that's just the first complexity I can come up with.

I imagine the distance is going to be wildly* nontrivial as well. You'd need to factor in traffic density, weather conditions, road works, predicted traffic density, actual distance as well as traffic speed, not to mention fuzzy human things like scenery. Just going for "shortest euclidian distance" will end up with routing through every alley and side-street if it's even the tiniest amount shorter.

I wouldn't be surprised if you end up with a distance metric that looks essentially random unless you're deeply inspecting the graph at the time of routing to see why a certain route is shorter than another.

Of course that doesn't exclude A/B testing, but with google maps they clearly have a routing graph that's updating all the time. It's no surprise that asking for the same route twice can give you different answers. Not to mention they probably include a random factor on purpose so they don't route all the cars through the same street. Of course you'd want the random factor big enough to spread the load, but not so big that random people get shafted by a significantly longer commute.

Seems like an interesting problem to tackle actually, I should look at building an open street map based route planner sometime.

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