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Pay them more money than the other guys are paying them.
Who are the "other guys" here? What does "pay them money" mean?
I assumed you were referring to the politicians voting against the bill.
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Most of the environmentalists that I know are very much in favor of increasing housing density as long as it isn't in their neighborhood.
I don't think that's unique to environmentalists, turns out a big subset of everyone is selfish like that.
Preserving nice low density areas is not selfish. Why does everyone need to be entitled to live anywhere they want?
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It's me. Turn my neighborhood into Shibuya. That'd be amazing.
The fact that cultured Americans love Paris without taking any of the lessons of Paris (insanely dense city) never ceases to amuse me in the Bay Area.
Paris is shaped like a snail and concentric circles of density and affluence with the inner most circle being most affluent.
Paris also has a stellar and reliable public transport system and is very walkable. Bay Area wants the density (and property taxes inflow) but don’t want to invest in infrastructure and public transport.
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#234There’s one thing that constantly confuses me with the housing crisis, which is why more people aren’t moving to other cities (or at least a lot faster than they currently are). Perhaps my mentality is different than most, but if I can improve my economic situation by moving elsewhere I will. I know for some people it is difficult to move because of family ties or costs associated with moving, but I would have though…
A surprisingly large number of adults live very close to their parents [1]. [1] https://source.wustl.edu/2015/12/most-americans-live-surpris...
I'm surprised that's surprising. I always figured most people rely on grandparents for at least occasional childcare.
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Principled is a way of making it sound less terrible than 'restrained'. California is a perfect example of what happens when you let environmentalists handle housing policy, the poor suffer because environmentalism is classism in disguise in these social contexts.
>California is a perfect example of what happens when you let environmentalists handle housing policy, the poor suffer because environmentalism is classism in disguise in these social contexts. Most of the environmentalists that I know are very much in favor of increasing housing density and reducing commute time in ICE vehicles. Current housing policy does neither of these things.
Environmentalist support for density increases is only about 20 years old. When these policies were created, it was done by the previous generation of lawmakers.
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Prop 13 was created because it was forcing people out of their houses because of inflation property values on paper. That is detrimental. You shouldn't scrap it completely; you should limit it to primary residences (spend more than half the year there). That would get rid of some of the worse issues. It shocks me every time I hear fellow left-of-center people talk about scrapping Prop 13, but then also rail against g…
Limit to primary residence and cap the increase at 10% instead of 2% (I think Michigan does this) might be okay. Low income seniors have https://www.sco.ca.gov/ardtax_prop_tax_postponement.html so Prop 13 is wholly unnecessary for them.
Jesus Christ. I didn’t know CA already had that law. As you said Prop 13 is absolutely not required.
That law basically says if you can’t afford the increases, we’ll bank it. If you can, pay up.
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How is increasing the supply of housing going to increase gentrification? The housing shortage has resulted in high housing prices, which is the main driver of gentrification.
Because it will displace communities while the housing is built and there's no guarantee the tenants can move back.
they are anti-displacement provisions in the bill.
gentrification/displacement can't happen if upzoning happens at scale of the entire regions/state. e.g. techies won't move to Oakland if there's a bunch of new housing in San Francisco, Palo Alto, Cupertino etc.
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#238Alright, please see this as an olive branch to YIMBYs. The results are pretty clear. The YIMBYs do not have the votes on their own to get this done. Unless you are some suburban retiree you probably recognize that the solution is building more housing. I think based on the voting records YIMBYs should join forces with PHIMBYs and make the next iteration of SB50 really take public and affordable housing seriously. The…
The reasonable path forward is to write off SF as a good place to live or do business. Tech badly needs a new economic zone, one where it is actually welcome.
My way or the highway doesn't work in politics. I'm sorry if you were told otherwise.
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I don't think that's unique to environmentalists, turns out a big subset of everyone is selfish like that.
Preserving nice low density areas is not selfish. Why does everyone need to be entitled to live anywhere they want?
Is everybody conversely entitled to live in low density areas?
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#240California has a more principled approach to housing capacity planning called RHNA, in which the state sets a zoning budget (like that proposed by David Schleicher https://digitalcommons.law.yale.edu/fss_papers/4955/ ) and then delegates to local governments the responsibility to zone to allow enough houses to meet that budget. Unfortunately, the RHNA has numerous flaws including vastly underestimating the “need,” la…
Principled is a way of making it sound less terrible than 'restrained'. California is a perfect example of what happens when you let environmentalists handle housing policy, the poor suffer because environmentalism is classism in disguise in these social contexts.
Nice how you slipped your pet bugaboo into your argument. Enviros are not responsible for the height caps and the sprawl.