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Not everyone has an internal monologue

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Re: Not everyone has an internal monologue

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I surprised me as well. And something I've always done is ask myself "why do I think that?" or "believe this particular thing is true?" and take apart my own reasoning to see where it came from and how it came to be.

An interesting follow-on investigation would be to check to see if couples fare better or worse if the partners match in the presence of an internal dialog or not.

Re: Not everyone has an internal monologue

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Count me as another inner monologue person who can't comprehend not having one.

Walking down the street, you see a car that is a really nice color, what goes through your head? For me, it's literally "cool car, nice color."

My wife just informed me she has a monologue, but when she meditates, it goes away. Again, mind blown. When I meditate, it's just a constant chatter... "I'm relaxed, lets think about a quiet pond, oh look a bird." I verbally build a little relaxing world for myself. It's part visual, but I'm still thinking in English.

Like the author, this really breaks my mental model of people.

Re: Not everyone has an internal monologue

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> I had to find the correct notes by trial and error: "Not that one. Neither that one. Still wrong. Not quite. This one is it! Next note..." I've tried that and it's so slow and frustrating that the melody in my head just disappears.

> it's so slow and frustrating that the melody in my head just disappears. Use a microphone to record yourself humming the melody first, so you can get the original back if you forget it. Separately, I'll mention that imitone ( https://imitone.com ) works surprisingly well. The transcriptions don't come out perfectly by any means, but they provide a base that you can then clean up.

Logic also has this functionality built in

Re: Not everyone has an internal monologue

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Unfathomable to me. My mind is constantly racing, playing out different conversations, interviewing myself in a variety of roles to navigate my thoughts on things (one day I'm the president of the US talking about foreign policy, another day I'm a big tech CEO navigating the diversity questions). I constantly have something in my ears to tune myself out, podcasts or music. After being diagnosed w/ ADHD I realize I'm…

"interviewing myself in a variety of roles to navigate my thoughts on things" I used to from time to time imagine my half of a conversation in which I was showing around someone notable who had traveled through time to get to the present day. Maybe someone from 1,000 years ago or maybe from 50. That is, for entertainment, not to cope with anything. I never felt like my imagination was quite good enough to turn it int…

Isaac Newton was my favorite imaginary person to give "tours" to.

Re: Not everyone has an internal monologue

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This "Living in the moment" stuff has depth such that many books have been written on it. It is one of the premises of mindfulness meditation, and Buddhism thoroughly explores this. The summary is that you will be more satisfied if you are not continuously ruminating on the past, or anxiously anticipating future problems, but instead focus on your immediate happiness. e.g. Right now you are comfortable, not in any pa…

I think it depends on whether you want to feel like a good person, or be a good person. Living in the moment lets you feel better, because there's less to consider. Constantly examining yourself and those around you allows you to better react to those surroundings (even if some people don't act on it for various reasons, one of which might be getting too caught up in the examining and never doing). Like literally eve…

I think that this is a false trade-off. Being "in the moment", or "present" doesn't mean turning off your brain and not planning for the future. It is possible to be present while you are planning for the future.

This amounts to, when planning, not being overly invested in emotionally anticipating the outcome of your plans. (Both good or bad, as anticipating the good will hurt your ego when the plan fails, and dreading the bad will hurt you now.)

Re: Not everyone has an internal monologue

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Unfathomable to me. My mind is constantly racing, playing out different conversations, interviewing myself in a variety of roles to navigate my thoughts on things (one day I'm the president of the US talking about foreign policy, another day I'm a big tech CEO navigating the diversity questions). I constantly have something in my ears to tune myself out, podcasts or music. After being diagnosed w/ ADHD I realize I'm…

"interviewing myself in a variety of roles to navigate my thoughts on things" I used to from time to time imagine my half of a conversation in which I was showing around someone notable who had traveled through time to get to the present day. Maybe someone from 1,000 years ago or maybe from 50. That is, for entertainment, not to cope with anything. I never felt like my imagination was quite good enough to turn it int…

Ha! When I need to take some idea apart and try to understand it, I often find myself explaining it to a highly perceptive Charles Babbage who has had his wish to see the future granted, albeit without having to sacrifice the rest of his lifespan. There can be others, but Babbage is the most frequent visitor by far. I have no idea whatsoever why.

As for the rest of perl4ever's comment, there is not a single word or thought or sentence in it which I do not completely recognize and relate to.

Re: Not everyone has an internal monologue

#528

Yeah, this is crazy to me. (I'm hearing these words in my head as I'm typing them.) Like, what form do your shower thoughts take if you don't have an internal monologue?

They're thoughts. That is their form.

To use a software analogy, thoughts are the model. English words are one possible serialization.

(Other possible serializations include other phrasings of English words, Japanese words, mathematical formulas, drawings, musical notation, and so on.)

It's nonsensical to ask me for a more fundamental form of a thought in my brain. It'd be like having a program where you have a reference to a directed graph in memory, and asking "So what form does this graph take? Like XML, or JSON, or what?" It doesn't have any other form. I could serialize it into one of those forms, if need be, but right now it's just a bunch of connections in memory.

Re: Not everyone has an internal monologue

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Is this a left/right brain split specific thing or is there another thing going on? ever explore it? I can do neither of these things. One voice dominates, self speaking, reading, listening to another person talk to me - the rest of them get 'left behind'.

The trick is to read without sounding out the words in your head. Then since you're not thinking in speech when reading, you have room to listen.

Hrm... I'll have to try it. When I speed read I shut down the internal monologue, but if someone was talking to me I'm skeptical I'd be able to read effectively still, but maybe I'm being too negative.

I'll give it a try.

Re: Not everyone has an internal monologue

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Is this a left/right brain split specific thing or is there another thing going on? ever explore it? I can do neither of these things. One voice dominates, self speaking, reading, listening to another person talk to me - the rest of them get 'left behind'.

I think it's just practice. I used to be an internal monologue reader into my 20s until I worked to not be one(because I wanted to increase my reading speed). Maybe I was neurally set up to achieve this - I am strongly left handed and have been told by many people they dont understand my thought process on things(not in a bad way, just sort of "where the heck did you come up with that") throughout my life. Just start…

mmmm reading w/o internal monologue isn't the problem. It's reading effectively while listening to someone else speak. My brain just then is listening to the person and whatever I'm reading just sort of doesn't take.

Maybe I haven't tried it enough.

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