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Apple delivers a new redesigned Maps for users in the United States

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Re: Apple delivers a new redesigned Maps for users in the United States

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AWildC182 wrote: post #329
georgebarnett wrote: post #317

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Why should Apple give away their improvements? I’m genuinely curious why you think they should do this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Database_License Because they would be legally obligated to when using OSM as a base for anything. Also, because it would benefit society.

It’s not that simple. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Common_licence_interpret...:

”I created a layer on top of an OSM map. What do I have to put under your license?

You have to determine whether what you have created is a Collective Work or a Derivative work, under the terms of the OSM licence.

If what you create is based on OSM data (for example if you create a new layer by looking at the OSM data and refering to locations on it) then it is likely you have created a derivative work.

If you generate a merged work with OSM data and other data (such as a printed map or pdf map) where the non-OSM data can no longer be considered to be separate and independent from the OSM data, is is likely you have created a derivative work.

If you overlay OSM data with your own data created from other sources (for example you going out there with a GPS receiver) and the layers are kept separate and independent, and the OSM layer is unchanged, then you may have created a collective work.

If you have created a derivative work, the work as a whole must be subject to the OSM licence. If you have created a collective work, then only the OSM component of the work must be subject to the OSM licence.”

IANAL, but I think anybody can overlay OSM data with traffic info, satellite photography, layers with names of shops, etc., without creating a derivative work.

Re: Apple delivers a new redesigned Maps for users in the United States

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tcbasche wrote: post #247
mason55 wrote: post #13

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Yup I switched about a year ago because I liked the CarPlay interface the best out of [Apple Maps, Google Maps, Waze, Subaru Built In Maps]. And the privacy over Google Maps is a huge bonus.

My favourite feature on iPhone is it telling me where my car is parked. Sometimes I go to a meetup at a local university, which is also a rats nest of roads and alleyways, and this has saved my hide multiple times

Google Maps has this now as well.

Re: Apple delivers a new redesigned Maps for users in the United States

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chrisjc wrote: post #124
ptasci67 wrote: post #62

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As some one who exclusively uses Apple Maps on the west side of LA, I have found the routing to be similar or the same. The killer function for me is the HUD when I have it mounted on my dash. Light-years better. Also...the lane accuracy is unparalleled.

> The killer function for me is the HUD when I have it mounted on my dash. What do you mean? That the phone's screen provides turn by turn instructions, while the car's screen provides more a trip/map perspective? edit: i just realized that I can use the phone's screen for turn by turn, and have the car's screen display music, or whatever else!!!

> edit

That was just improved in iOS 13, shame it took so long.

Re: Apple delivers a new redesigned Maps for users in the United States

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Post by judge2020 »

ilikehurdles wrote: post #56
bhahn wrote: post #48

I just switched to an iPhone after being a long time Android user, and I've found Apple Maps directions not to be as good as Google Maps'. I live in central LA, and it regularly routes me through long and congested intersections. Does anyone else feel this as well? Is it just my small sample size? I would like to continue using Apple Maps over Google Maps because of the integration with Apple Watch, but it's getting…

Traffic data is just not as good with Apple Maps. In some places they aggregate reports from traffic reporting agencies, but user-reporting is dependent on people using it and opting in to sharing data, but this is a challenge with a privacy-focused approach.

I wouldn't be surprised if Apple is piggybacking off of other apps' GPS location requests to aggregate traffic data in order to compete with how Google Maps uses its own algorithms for traffic.

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Post by jki275 »

judge2020 wrote: post #385
usaar333 wrote: post #305

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I personally use Waze over Google maps for navigation during commute times as it has the advantage of routing with HOV lanes. Does Apple maps support this? (I'm on Android)

Does waze work with detached-HOV/paid lanes? Google maps just gives up when taking the I-75 express lane to/from Atlanta since it's so far from the main interstate.

Waze works fine with them. But it's an option you have to turn off and on, you can't just click a button and route a different way. Sometimes it gets confused as well if you don't take a HOV lane that it wants you to.

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AWildC182 wrote: post #357
georgebarnett wrote: post #341

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If Apple was legally obligated to contribute back, they would do so. They have a good history of community contribution (eg. Darwin, WebKit) so I’m willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, instead of some random anonymous internet commenter angst.

....no they don't. They actively avoid the GPL versions of various things they use so they don't have to give back even though it hurts their users.

I’ve never heard that argument as to why Apple avoids the GPL.

I also don’t see how it is consistent with their behavior. For example, Apple wouldn’t need to change anything to bash to make its latest version run on MacOS. Yet, they don’t ship it.

On the other hand, the argument that they don’t avoid the GPL in general, but specifically GPLv3 because of legal concerns is consistent with their behavior. They shipped the latest GPLv2 licensed bash for years, but avoid any GPLv3 licensed version.

Re: Apple delivers a new redesigned Maps for users in the United States

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xoa wrote: post #348
andrewljohnson wrote: post #47

Shameless plug, but we just shipped our huge Gaia Topo update too. Gaia Topo focuses on the backcountry, and specifically downloading for offline use: https://blog.gaiagps.com/easy-to-read-tiny-to-download-the-a...

Interesting, I do a lot of backcountry with no cell and have mostly relied on old style maps turned to PDFs and downloaded or various OSM apps, this looks up my alley. One question though I often have for membership programs: how does it apply to families? I very much value all 4 of us in my household having the ability to share key apps and data, particularly for something that has safety applications. I see you hav…

You can share a Membership as long as you don't mind sharing the username/password combo. You'll all end up recording your data to the same account, if you record tracks, photos, etc.

Your family might not need a Membership at all though - that's only if you need to download maps for offline use, or if you want to use different map sources... Gaia Topo and all the features besides mass-downloading are free.

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rootusrootus wrote: post #364
pauljonas wrote: post #238

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After using Waze for over a couple of years, I really started getting the impression that I was just a data pawn in a bunch of A/B tests -- like send this one down that route, send that one down the other way & see what happens.

I got that impression, too. On multiple occasions I ignored a suggested turn because I was pretty certain it would be slower, and as soon as Waze adjusted the route based on my turn, the ETA went down. So it should have sent me the right way to begin with, but wanted to experiment with me to test an alternate route. After enough of those, I reluctantly stopped using Waze.

Yep, I have the same experience. Sometimes it keeps telling me to do a U turn and turn around on their original route. I need to hit stop and reroute sometimes. Definitely not smart...

I use Waze mostly for the police presence. And there was a lot today (end of month...).

A nice feature would be if it sees more police presence than usual you just get a general warning "there's more police presence on your route than usual".

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Someone wrote: post #396
AWildC182 wrote: post #357

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....no they don't. They actively avoid the GPL versions of various things they use so they don't have to give back even though it hurts their users.

I’ve never heard that argument as to why Apple avoids the GPL. I also don’t see how it is consistent with their behavior. For example, Apple wouldn’t need to change anything to bash to make its latest version run on MacOS. Yet, they don’t ship it. On the other hand, the argument that they don’t avoid the GPL in general, but specifically GPLv3 because of legal concerns is consistent with their behavior. They shipped t…

Apple made the MIT-licensed zsh the default shell in macOS over the GPL-licensed bash precisely to avoid the GPL.

https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT208050

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20090193

Apple has historically been hostile to the GPL. Remember when Apple removed the GPLv2-licensed VLC from the App Store in 2011?

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2011/01/vlc-for-ios-vanishes...

VLC didn't return to the App Store until the iOS version was dual-licensed under the MPL 30 months later.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/07/vlc-media-player-ret...

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