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California's housing bill SB 50 has died in the state Senate

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Re: California's housing bill SB 50 has died in the state Senate

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>It’s unfortunate that the state senate doesn’t seem to want to treat the housing shortage with the urgency that it deserves. The state senators are probably making quite a bit of money off this housing shortage that they wouldn't make with an adequate housing supply on the market.

That’s why it amuses me whenever people point to this area as some bastion of leftist politics. This place has a decidedly libertarian tilt: socially permissive and very much laissez fair in many if not most ways.

Libertarians who want to control what you build.

Re: California's housing bill SB 50 has died in the state Senate

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>It’s unfortunate that the state senate doesn’t seem to want to treat the housing shortage with the urgency that it deserves. The state senators are probably making quite a bit of money off this housing shortage that they wouldn't make with an adequate housing supply on the market.

It's much likelier that they are responding to the voters that have the time and money to make their reelection difficult.

Probably a combination of both.

Re: California's housing bill SB 50 has died in the state Senate

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There’s one thing that constantly confuses me with the housing crisis, which is why more people aren’t moving to other cities (or at least a lot faster than they currently are). Perhaps my mentality is different than most, but if I can improve my economic situation by moving elsewhere I will. I know for some people it is difficult to move because of family ties or costs associated with moving, but I would have though…

An easy example, you can make movies in other regions of the country, YouTube makes it possible, but if you want to easily hire the best people you have to go where they are concentrated. This is why being in the movie industry pulls everyone to LA.

The Bay Area is a hub because it's where the industry was born. People who have deep knowledge in the industry are here. If you want to grow your startup somewhere else, you can. I think the problem is that you might eventually hit a wall as you grow. You'll need to pull in UX research, or a PM, or grow a legal team. In most places in the country, these roles just won't exist, or there won't be any domain knowledge to build them out from scratch.

Also, just like the film/tv industry, tech workers want to move around a lot. Unless you're in a hub like Seattle, NYC or the Bay Area, your options to move around are limited.

Remote cities can work if all the stars align or someone finds a company that lets them remote work. However, once you leave the job after 4 or 5 years, you will have to find another remote working position.

Re: California's housing bill SB 50 has died in the state Senate

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They all need to go. Not one is a housing advocate. All spend their energy to limit housing. They say they are for affordable housing, but their mandates are designed to exclude both groups of people and housing.

It makes me sad that my supervisor got replaced with Dean Preston, whose entire persona is crafted around housing policy; yet, he is so staunchly against actually building housing. He's the epitome of everything wrong with SF Supervisors: they pit communities against each other to create political gridlock and build voting blocs for reelection, but do fuck-all to actually solve San Francisco's problems. No matter how…

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Re: California's housing bill SB 50 has died in the state Senate

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They all need to go. Not one is a housing advocate. All spend their energy to limit housing. They say they are for affordable housing, but their mandates are designed to exclude both groups of people and housing.

Not quite all of the BoS. Of the 4 misleading resolutions that the SF BoS passed to oppose SB 827 and SB 50 ( https://sfbos.org/sites/default/files/r0084-18.pdf https://sfbos.org/sites/default/files/r0172-19.pdf https://sfbos.org/sites/default/files/r0541-19.pdf https://www.sfcta.org/sites/default/files/2019-12/R20-25%20S... ), only Sup. Ahsha Safaí and Mayor London Breed (and Jeff Sheehy and Vallie Brown, who are no…

They all say they are for affordable housing - but as I mentioned above the mandates are designed to exclude and prohibit housing. The results are clear very little actually gets built.

Re: California's housing bill SB 50 has died in the state Senate

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There’s one thing that constantly confuses me with the housing crisis, which is why more people aren’t moving to other cities (or at least a lot faster than they currently are). Perhaps my mentality is different than most, but if I can improve my economic situation by moving elsewhere I will. I know for some people it is difficult to move because of family ties or costs associated with moving, but I would have though…

California, at least Bay Area in particular, has a slightly different problem that is keeping people stuck here. People can’t live here without both husband and wife working full time. Now to move to a different city or state, both husband and wife needs a job there or the new salary + cost of living must equal the other person quitting their job. That is just a difficult mental model to get over. It will happen, but…

Totally agree. Add in the fact that, if you do move to a lower cost area it is typically a mostly an irreversible step. You'll never save up enough to move back. By the time you change your mind, CA house prices and rent will have risen another 7% yoy, and inventory will be in the gutter because prop 13 discourages people from selling and rent control discourages people from moving. For some, that is not an issue. For me, well, I have lived here almost my whole life. I'd like the option to change my mind.

Re: California's housing bill SB 50 has died in the state Senate

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They all need to go. Not one is a housing advocate. All spend their energy to limit housing. They say they are for affordable housing, but their mandates are designed to exclude both groups of people and housing.

It makes me sad that my supervisor got replaced with Dean Preston, whose entire persona is crafted around housing policy; yet, he is so staunchly against actually building housing. He's the epitome of everything wrong with SF Supervisors: they pit communities against each other to create political gridlock and build voting blocs for reelection, but do fuck-all to actually solve San Francisco's problems. No matter how…

Dean is a nice guy but I believe the way he looks at the problem is naive. He believes land lords are to blame for high costs - but I see this as a function of what the market is willing to support. He could guide the invisible hand of the market if he would allow more housing. But he favors character of the neighborhood over housing.

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Relocating HQ means laying off all your employees. This is not a figure of speech or analogy, it’s literally true. You are laying off all of your employees in the current location when you move the jobs away. The question is whether those employees are going to choose to uproot themselves to go work for you at the new HQ, or stay behind and find another job. Most will stay put instead of moving away. People generally…

Because of my father's job, my family moved 9 times before I was 12. It wasn't as big a deal as you're describing.

Mine too. I hated it. It sucked. I promised myself never to do that to my kids.

Re: California's housing bill SB 50 has died in the state Senate

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There’s one thing that constantly confuses me with the housing crisis, which is why more people aren’t moving to other cities (or at least a lot faster than they currently are). Perhaps my mentality is different than most, but if I can improve my economic situation by moving elsewhere I will. I know for some people it is difficult to move because of family ties or costs associated with moving, but I would have though…

Charles Schwab is currently relocating their HQ from bay area to texas
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