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Not everyone has an internal monologue

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Re: Not everyone has an internal monologue

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For me, scents are rich sensory experiences. Yet I can’t describe cinnamon to you, other than that it smells like cinnamon. It’s like an opaque pointer, I can compare equality but not inspect it beyond that.

It's a quale: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualia

Lol. All aboard the quale whale

Re: Not everyone has an internal monologue

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This doesn't make any sense to me, even his example: 'One person even mentioned that when they do voice overs in movies of people’s thoughts, they “wished that it was real.”' How can they form the thought 'I wish that was real' if they have no monologue? And to convey that thought they just open their mouth and spew forth a sentence with no knowledge of its shape?

I've not figured out if I have the internal monologue after all or not, or both, but I often find myself composing something I'm going to say or write and feeling that the final sounding out is redundant. I already know what that sentence is going to be, no reason to actually put it in words.

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Unfathomable to me. My mind is constantly racing, playing out different conversations, interviewing myself in a variety of roles to navigate my thoughts on things (one day I'm the president of the US talking about foreign policy, another day I'm a big tech CEO navigating the diversity questions). I constantly have something in my ears to tune myself out, podcasts or music. After being diagnosed w/ ADHD I realize I'm…

This is 100% me. I kind of think of language like an operating system for the brain - a really chaotic operating system.

Re: Not everyone has an internal monologue

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Similarly until last year I never knew that people actually could visualize things when they closed their eyes. I thought it was more of a metaphor. But alas when I close my eyes it's darkness. Thankfully I have my internal monologue to describe things to me in that darkness.

I can't visualize every kind of object. The easiest things to visualize are simple geometric shapes with a strong color. By default, if I try to "visualize something" it will be a red triangle. I cannot visualize faces whatsoever, even if the person is right in front of me and I close my eyes suddenly.

Glad it's not just me that cannot visualize faces whatsoever! But with the exception of faces, I can visualize complex 3d shapes if I'm lucid dreaming. When I'm fully awake, my visualization abilities decrease quite a bit, so when I get a chance (which isn't so often with kids) I'll often lie in bed for an hour or so just thinking visually. My wife thinks I'm being lazy, but it's often the most productive part of my day.

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Unfathomable to me. My mind is constantly racing, playing out different conversations, interviewing myself in a variety of roles to navigate my thoughts on things (one day I'm the president of the US talking about foreign policy, another day I'm a big tech CEO navigating the diversity questions). I constantly have something in my ears to tune myself out, podcasts or music. After being diagnosed w/ ADHD I realize I'm…

This is 100% me. I kind of think of language like an operating system for the brain - a really chaotic operating system.

This is the plot of Snowcrash loosely. Great book.

Re: Not everyone has an internal monologue

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Unfathomable to me. My mind is constantly racing, playing out different conversations, interviewing myself in a variety of roles to navigate my thoughts on things (one day I'm the president of the US talking about foreign policy, another day I'm a big tech CEO navigating the diversity questions). I constantly have something in my ears to tune myself out, podcasts or music. After being diagnosed w/ ADHD I realize I'm…

I feel like this too. However, I've found I can instantly get into non-verbal focus while playing chess. You might want to give it a shot. FWIW I'm not a particularly good, or experienced player either, just someone that enjoys it.

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Now your read this sentence in Darth Vader voice. Not the first time though.

Just wanted to comment that I don't seem to be able to do internal Darth Vader voice. No idea why.

Can you do anyone else's voice? Friends? Family? SO?

Can you remember someone saying something they said, in their voice?

Start with the memory, and then tack on the new sentence at the end of it.

Search your feelings, you know it to be true. Now you read the rest of this sentence in Darth Vader's voice.

Re: Not everyone has an internal monologue

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What Do You Care What Other People Think? , a book of Richard Feynman stories, has a chapter that ties into this. You can read the chapter here: http://calteches.library.caltech.edu/607/2/Feynman.pdf He discovers that he can read while counting in his head at a steady rate, but he cannot talk while counting. When he tells his friends, one of them claims to be the opposite, and indeed proves that he can count while ta…

That makes a lot of sense. It's hard to think in speech while talking. And it's hard to think visually when reading. But conversely easy to think in speech while reading, and think visually while talking.

Re: Not everyone has an internal monologue

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This has gotten me into a lot of trouble in my life. I don't use internal monologue to read - that means that I can be reading and listening to someone at the same time, and comprehend both. But, even if I can prove I heard and understood everything someone said, they inevitably view it as rude if I am reading something while listening to them.

Is this a left/right brain split specific thing or is there another thing going on? ever explore it? I can do neither of these things. One voice dominates, self speaking, reading, listening to another person talk to me - the rest of them get 'left behind'.

The trick is to read without sounding out the words in your head. Then since you're not thinking in speech when reading, you have room to listen.
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