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Re: IBM Names Arvind Krishna CEO

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Post by jbattle »

programmertote wrote: post #39
krn wrote: post #22

Another Indian-born tech CEO? It's incredible. IBM joins Microsoft, Google, Adobe, Nokia, and Harman in this regard. Also, MasterCard and PepsiCo (until 2018). I wonder how much it's a cultural thing.

This is a biased, but honest observation that I'd like to share. I've been working for a big corp for about 5 years now. I was born in a SE Asian country and came to the US for college. I have worked with a lot of India-born people. As a fellow foreigner and as an Asian, I can tell that more often than not Indian people are bolder and more aggressive in asking for what they want (e.g., one of my Indian colleague aske…

ALSO. the people you are describing are (I'm guessing) immigrants. Meaning they are a subset of people from their home country with the internal initiative, drive, and resources to move halfway around the world and make their way in a culture besides the one they grew up in

Re: IBM Names Arvind Krishna CEO

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Post by eganist »

dbish wrote: post #25
filereaper wrote: post #10

Good to see an engineer taking helm of the company from the previous CEOs which were from sales. Maybe we'll have a renaissance like what Satya did to Microsoft...

Satya wasn't an engineer at microsoft.

> Satya wasn't an engineer at microsoft.

This is true, strictly speaking. But (also strictly speaking) he was an engineer

> Nadella attended the Hyderabad Public School, Begumpet[7] before receiving a bachelor's in electrical engineering[8] from the Manipal Institute of Technology (then part of Mangalore University) in Karnataka in 1988.[9][10] Nadella subsequently traveled to the U.S. to study for an M.S. in computer science at the University of Wisconsin–Milwaukee,[11][12] receiving his degree in 1990.[13] Later, he received an MBA from the University of Chicago Booth School of Business.[14]

(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satya_Nadella)

And that's all GP said.

> Good to see an engineer taking helm of the company from the previous CEOs which were from sales.

Re: IBM Names Arvind Krishna CEO

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Post by booboolayla »

programmertote wrote: post #39
krn wrote: post #22

Another Indian-born tech CEO? It's incredible. IBM joins Microsoft, Google, Adobe, Nokia, and Harman in this regard. Also, MasterCard and PepsiCo (until 2018). I wonder how much it's a cultural thing.

This is a biased, but honest observation that I'd like to share. I've been working for a big corp for about 5 years now. I was born in a SE Asian country and came to the US for college. I have worked with a lot of India-born people. As a fellow foreigner and as an Asian, I can tell that more often than not Indian people are bolder and more aggressive in asking for what they want (e.g., one of my Indian colleague aske…

Don't forget the infamous in-group preferences they bring as soon as they take over.

Re: IBM Names Arvind Krishna CEO

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Post by PandaRider »

krn wrote: post #22

Another Indian-born tech CEO? It's incredible. IBM joins Microsoft, Google, Adobe, Nokia, and Harman in this regard. Also, MasterCard and PepsiCo (until 2018). I wonder how much it's a cultural thing.

I attended an interview of a major non-tech CEO and he attributed the cultural attitude of Jugaad [0] as the reason why so many CEOs are of Indian descent.

[0]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jugaad

Re: IBM Names Arvind Krishna CEO

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Post by faraday2211 »

programmertote wrote: post #39
krn wrote: post #22

Another Indian-born tech CEO? It's incredible. IBM joins Microsoft, Google, Adobe, Nokia, and Harman in this regard. Also, MasterCard and PepsiCo (until 2018). I wonder how much it's a cultural thing.

This is a biased, but honest observation that I'd like to share. I've been working for a big corp for about 5 years now. I was born in a SE Asian country and came to the US for college. I have worked with a lot of India-born people. As a fellow foreigner and as an Asian, I can tell that more often than not Indian people are bolder and more aggressive in asking for what they want (e.g., one of my Indian colleague aske…

Indians are one of the few racist people I met in my life, at least in west europe, against whites.

Re: IBM Names Arvind Krishna CEO

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Post by dmix »

programmertote wrote: post #39
krn wrote: post #22

Another Indian-born tech CEO? It's incredible. IBM joins Microsoft, Google, Adobe, Nokia, and Harman in this regard. Also, MasterCard and PepsiCo (until 2018). I wonder how much it's a cultural thing.

This is a biased, but honest observation that I'd like to share. I've been working for a big corp for about 5 years now. I was born in a SE Asian country and came to the US for college. I have worked with a lot of India-born people. As a fellow foreigner and as an Asian, I can tell that more often than not Indian people are bolder and more aggressive in asking for what they want (e.g., one of my Indian colleague aske…

I remember reading a study about gender pay disparity (where it actually exists between similarly skilled people in the same industry) was because the female members of the group were less likely to ask for pay raises than their male peers. They may have felt more intimidated or less entitled to simply ask, possibly as a cultural side effect (maybe as a result of childhood stuff like the way males are highly competitive early on).

I know a female software engineer friend of mine had read about that and got inspired and ended up asking for a serious raise when she got a new contract. I remember being both surprised and jealous the person said yes and took it as a life lesson.

I also remember tptacek on here always talking about the value in asking for more money as a software person, product, or consultancy because you're probably worth it.

So as the other commented mentioned the qualities of new immigrants might certainly select for this sort of thing, ie, people with high-motivation, bold life plans, taking advantage of their opportunity to really buy into the American dream, etc. That combined with a local-cultural confidence thing could certainly help explain it.

Re: IBM Names Arvind Krishna CEO

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Post by interlocutor »

dmix wrote: post #48
programmertote wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a biased, but honest observation that I'd like to share. I've been working for a big corp for about 5 years now. I was born in a SE Asian country and came to the US for college. I have worked with a lot of India-born people. As a fellow foreigner and as an Asian, I can tell that more often than not Indian people are bolder and more aggressive in asking for what they want (e.g., one of my Indian colleague aske…

I remember reading a study about gender pay disparity (where it actually exists between similarly skilled people in the same industry) was because the female members of the group were less likely to ask for pay raises than their male peers. They may have felt more intimidated or less entitled to simply ask, possibly as a cultural side effect (maybe as a result of childhood stuff like the way males are highly competit…

That's nonsense. It is well-known that Indian women do better in the tech industry than their American counterparts. See articles below.

https://www.theguardian.com/guardian-professional/2015/jun/2...

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/engineering-...

https://www.wired.com/2014/08/silicon-valley-sexism/

https://blog.hackerrank.com/which-countries-have-the-most-sk...

Developers in India are 3-times more likely to be female than developers in the United States. https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2015

Re: IBM Names Arvind Krishna CEO

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Post by dmix »

interlocutor wrote: post #49
dmix wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember reading a study about gender pay disparity (where it actually exists between similarly skilled people in the same industry) was because the female members of the group were less likely to ask for pay raises than their male peers. They may have felt more intimidated or less entitled to simply ask, possibly as a cultural side effect (maybe as a result of childhood stuff like the way males are highly competit…

That's nonsense. It is well-known that Indian women do better in the tech industry than their American counterparts. See articles below. https://www.theguardian.com/guardian-professional/2015/jun/2... https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/engineering-... https://www.wired.com/2014/08/silicon-valley-sexism/ https://blog.hackerrank.com/which-countries-have-the-most-sk... Developers in India are 3-times more l…

I didn’t say anything about female engineers in general in my comment or compared them to Americans. So I’m not sure which part is “nonsense” which you are talking about.

The reasons why there are more females going into engineering in India and other countries on the developing side like Romania have been well discussed on HN (yet the pattern of women not being as frequently in math or engineering remains in many developed countries, hardly just the US) I don’t think it’s particularly unique to India or Indian women.

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