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Re: Not everyone has an internal monologue

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Can you try to dig that up and share it with us? It sounds a lot like some versions of meditation, but I'd be really interested to read it.

I dont know how to save my place to come back to a comment on mobile, but I too am curious about this.

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Re: Not everyone has an internal monologue

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I have a serious question to people here describing themselves (as I understand it) as thinking in words and whole sentences: How can you think about concepts which cannot be put into words or for which no words exist? Do you have to come up with elaborate verbal descriptions of abstract concepts in your head before you can think about them? If so, don't you think that any verbal description is essentially incomplete…

I use both modes. For speaking to people directly, I use an internal monologue. For coding or abstract though, I can feel the model.

I am similar. After some musing I found that I usually have a faint internal monologue when considering simple things such as, "what should I write in this reply". Mostly in situations where you might be caught saying something aloud on accident. When starting a book, the first page or so usually has strong monologue, but it disappears almost completely after that. Frequently I spend hours in a row random thought. During these periods I cannot remember hearing an internal monologue. There are very likely other times that I am not conscious of the monologue. At the moment, trying to think I am floating in and out of monologue. I suppose this may be because I am somewhat focused on whether I do or not.

Re: Not everyone has an internal monologue

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The topic is fascinating to think about and I was unaware that some people do not "hear" their thoughts or use an internal voice. But I got stuck on this amazing perfect storm of millennial blogger cliches. I thought it was a joke. After this I could not stop reading it as a parody. The word "literally" is used four times.

> I was taking ibuprofen at this point in the day because my brain was literally unable to comprehend this revelation. How have I made it 25 years in life...

Re: Not everyone has an internal monologue

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Yeah, this is crazy to me. (I'm hearing these words in my head as I'm typing them.) Like, what form do your shower thoughts take if you don't have an internal monologue?

Two of my flatmates never have a shower over 5 minutes long, because they "get bored".

Re: Not everyone has an internal monologue

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Reminds me of a book I read to my children about the woman Temple Grandin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_Grandin) the book described her ability to think in pictures, and how it differed from the minds of others.

It's called "visual thinking". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_thinking

I have the inner dialog myself. I've talked with my sister about it, and she says she is able to have multiple threads going at once. Like she can do mental math and have a conversation with herself at the same time. I can only do one at a time. I've tried by counting and saying the alphabet in my head simultaneously, I can't do it.

Re: Not everyone has an internal monologue

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For those who do inner monologue - I worry about telling you about this. It might make you wish you didn't ever realize it. So.. spoiler in the next sentence. When you start talking in your head, pay attention to your vocal cords and the area around them... Notice anything? They're probably moving like they would if you were actually talking out loud. Have you ever noticed how you tried to talk really fast in your he…

"Neurospeak" uses this and related phenomenon to make a kind of psychoactive book. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/897536.Neurospeak

Re: Not everyone has an internal monologue

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People differ drastically in many fundamental ways. This should be taught at school among other facts of utmost importance. Can you even imagine the inner experience of a dolphin or a bear, let alone be sure it's the same like that of yours? The degree of difference between you and another person you meet can be equally substantial. Many believe a diference is just a matter of personality - another person may be more or less lazy, more or less smart, more or less sociable than you etc but this way of thinking is absurdly primitive, like saying a laptop is no different from a coffee machine, just more lazy because it won't make you a cup of coffee.

Re: Not everyone has an internal monologue

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I have a serious question to people here describing themselves (as I understand it) as thinking in words and whole sentences: How can you think about concepts which cannot be put into words or for which no words exist? Do you have to come up with elaborate verbal descriptions of abstract concepts in your head before you can think about them? If so, don't you think that any verbal description is essentially incomplete…

I think the way that this actually works is that we don't actually think in words and whole sentences, but that words and whole sentences flow from most of our thoughts. We've just become so used to this whole process that it feels like the words and sentences are driving the thoughts. I'm certainly a "think in whole words and sentences" person, but if I think of it, I also have had moments realization/emotion that I…

I think this is true, and was reaching for ways to express the same thought. Which just goes to show that although I internally verbalise a lot, the verbalisation itself is not the thinking. It just seems that way.

I think this can become a problem. Verbalising takes time, it acts as a brake on thought. I’m compensation I think it helps clarify and crystallise ideas and builds skills in expressing them into communicable form. There are definitely pros and cons.

Re: Not everyone has an internal monologue

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I become aware of this after reading Temple Grandin's book Thinking in Pictures (1995):

> When I was a child and a teenager, I thought everybody thought in pictures. I had no idea that my thought processes were different. In fact, I did not realize the full extent of the differences until very recently.

> At meetings and at work I started asking other people detailed questions about how they accessed information from their memories. From their answers I learned that my visualization skills far exceeded those of most other people.

https://www.grandin.com/inc/visual.thinking.html

Re: Not everyone has an internal monologue

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I've noticed that I can do both the monologue thing and also the nonverbal thinking, and I suspect that most people can do both also.

I do verbal thinking when I'm by myself and thinking through options. What should I have for dinner? What gift should I buy? That kind of thing.

Non-verbal thought is when I'm totally focused on something like a competitive game. When I'm 100% in the zen-like focus of moment to moment instinctive action, there's "no time" for monologuing.

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