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Apple delivers a new redesigned Maps for users in the United States

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Re: Apple delivers a new redesigned Maps for users in the United States

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Post by galangalalgol »

ehsankia wrote: post #297
azinman2 wrote: post #10

Congrats to the teams who did this! It’s been a long time coming.. and a lot of people said along the way that Apple should just give up it was too far behind. Perseverance (and a lot of resources) can go a long way! It reminds me of some advice given to me by a heavily successful industrialist friend — never dismiss your competition, for the world is not static.

Honestly, the redesign aside, it's really impressive how quickly they are catching up with most Google Maps features. Given, I haven't tried these myself and can't attest to their quality, but in the article they list: Real-Time Transit info, Sharing ETA, Indoor Maps, etc. They also got street view, and more. Of course, it's much easier to copy features than innovate, the latter takes years of UX research, while the…

As recently as a month ago apple maps sent my coworker miles from his destination to a very bad part of town. It is still pretty bad.

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Post by _xerxes_ »

CPLX wrote: post #237
pauljonas wrote: post #196

I'd been using Waze for a couple of years, and initially it was far superior to Apple Maps. But a few months back, I got really frustrated with it because it led me down some closed roads & ended up doubling my commute time home from work that day. I'd also been noting how off it was on its estimates on when I'd get to my destination. And I was also perturbed by it not knowing the back street entrance to my work site…

I love the idea of switching from Waze, which is increasingly frustrating and wrong. The problem is that having the speed traps and radar sites on there is just too crucial to give up. I've never found a replacement that does that.

Google Maps has speed limits, police and other warnings. Been there for at least a few months now. Not sure how accurate they are as I doubt they have as much engagement/reporting as Waze.

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Post by scep12 »

wmeredith wrote: post #277

Not sure Maps needs a redesign. It certainly needs better search. I just opened up maps, searched the name of my company, and it gave me the London Office. I'm sitting in our office in Kansas City.

Did you read the article? It's mostly about the new features and data they've added, and less about a reskin.

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Post by Swizec »

K0SM0S wrote: post #293
SamBam wrote: post #229

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Google Maps also got the person there 5% faster than Apple Maps, in that study. This really does call for a larger study, though. It would be nice to see how the error bars and potential differences come out across different trip times, and different drivers.

You'd probably end with significantly different results based on country. Somehow the underlying logic of mapping AI seems to be more-or-less of a fit for national road systems — for instance in Europe, with lots of discrepancies between borders, it's really hit or miss: in France and Germany I end up on stupid country roads to save 2 minutes on a 2h drive, but that seldom happens in the Netherlands (granted they hav…

I remember using some car’s built-in GPS once and it wanted me to take every freeway exit and get right back on after. Because it decided that saves time/distance.

Maps really need a “not worth it” features for tiny optimizations. I’d often prefer a slightly slower route that’s less work to drive.

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Post by macintux »

selimthegrim wrote: post #303
pfranz wrote: post #224

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I hear Apple is pretty responsive about correcting reported errors. There's error reporting inside the app that includes a spot to attach a photo. Of course, this can be problematic when driving and I much prefer Waze's error reporting.

How do you do this for directions?

You have to do it after, or simply stop the navigation, but once you do, if you select the “Report an Issue” option from the Info menu you can pick from your recent trips.

Once you do so, you can select the wrong turn/other problem from the list of steps and describe the problem.

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Post by azinman2 »

what_ever wrote: post #320
azinman2 wrote: post #278

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The PR piece says: "Apple completed the rollout of this new Maps experience in the United States and will begin rolling it out across Europe in the coming months."

Yes, which means that the person you are responding may have had new data already from the old rollout. Not sure what are you trying to say from this comment.

I interpreted "Doesn't necessarily mean EVERYONE is getting new data TODAY" to mean that they don't have new data at all. My original comment was a reference to the "the last two years" of the GP, suggesting that their experience will be different now than 2 years ago. Perhaps in the last year it was already different and still not good enough, or perhaps it wasn't different yet and now it will be so the two year old data isn't sufficient to judge anymore. Only fjp can say.

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Post by theboat »

ogre_codes wrote: post #295
theboat wrote: post #251

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While I sympathize with your viewpoint, you're imposing your personal values on consumers who demonstrate their willingness to exchange personal data for free services every day. You and many HN users may balk at this, but most people are ok with trading privacy for real-time traffic predictions. Apple shouldn't receive an unfair market advantage because they embody the values you hold dear. Sidenote: I disagree that…

> you're imposing your personal values on consumers who demonstrate their willingness to exchange personal data for free services every day. Are they demonstrating their willingness, or do they simply not understand that there is a choice to be made? Considering the trivial difference in mapping performance in most places, I doubt most people would be willing to give up their privacy in exchange for saving a few seco…

There have been so many opportunities for a grassroots pro-privacy movement to develop, and yet there isn't one. Devastating hacks (Target, Yahoo), election interference (CambridgeAnalytica), and yet nothing.

Acting as if people are unaware of data collection is disingenuous. If you told the average facebook user how much facebook and its third-party partners knew about them, I doubt many of them would stop using the platform.

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Post by AWildC182 »

georgebarnett wrote: post #317
AWildC182 wrote: post #274

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Then why not do it everywhere and upstream the changes?

Why should Apple give away their improvements? I’m genuinely curious why you think they should do this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Database_License

Because they would be legally obligated to when using OSM as a base for anything.

Also, because it would benefit society.

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Post by grosswait »

_xerxes_ wrote: post #322
CPLX wrote: post #237

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I love the idea of switching from Waze, which is increasingly frustrating and wrong. The problem is that having the speed traps and radar sites on there is just too crucial to give up. I've never found a replacement that does that.

Google Maps has speed limits, police and other warnings. Been there for at least a few months now. Not sure how accurate they are as I doubt they have as much engagement/reporting as Waze.

Doesn't this info come from Waze?
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