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Re: Show HN: A self-hosted email engine

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Post by sam_lowry_ »

p1mrx wrote: post #22
sam_lowry_ wrote: post #15

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Running own SMTP server for personal use is hard . Google is the worst adversary just because of their market share. I have a mail server for personal use, and I send less than 10 mails per day for many years. DKIM, SPF, DMARC are all properly set up. I am signed up to all possible postmaster tools, including that of Google. Still, Google started blocking mail sent from my IPv6 address in December. I switched to IPv4…

> DKIM, SPF, DMARC are all properly set up. Does the IPv6 address have matching forward/reverse DNS?

Yes

Re: Show HN: A self-hosted email engine

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Post by smacktoward »

LeifCarrotson wrote: post #33
Isinlor wrote: post #18

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PHP is a very good choice. If you want to refresh your knowledge of PHP take a look here: https://phptherightway.com/ It's fast. PHP has great documentation. PHP ecosystem is now based around Composer, in comparison to mess of package management in JavaScript and Python, Composer is just wonderful to use. Packagist has ton of libraries. Share nothing architecture is very easy to maintain and scale. You can do strict…

The hazard is that it was such a big mess in the past that if you want to hire someone to work on your self-hosted app, there are going to be a lot of applicants who want to use PHP the wrong way.

So use PHPTheRightWay to come up with some interview questions to filter those folks out. Problem solved!

Re: Show HN: A self-hosted email engine

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Post by edgyquant »

brenden2 wrote: post #12
CallMeMarc wrote: post #8

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Hosting your own email service is way more difficult than just spinning up a smtp server and some interface. Most big providers (like gmail) are more likely to flag incoming mails from unknown servers. That's the reason why stuff like Sendy[1] is so popular. You host your own interface, settings and so on, but the ugly part of sending your email is handled by AWS SES. [1] https://sendy.co/

That's only true if you're spamming people a lot. Running your own postfix server is trivial, and you'll have a fine reputation so long as you aren't sending marketing BS.

This isn't true. When running my own server Google will send me emails but will not allow me send emails to my Gmail account. I know it is configured properly because I can email other services just fine.

Re: Show HN: A self-hosted email engine

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Post by brian_herman__ »

You have some squares on your site are you putting emoji's on the site my web browser cannot process it.

My user agent is:

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/79.0.3945.130 Safari/537.36

Google Chrome on Debian

Here is a screenshot: https://ibb.co/qsnrD2n

Re: Show HN: A self-hosted email engine

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Post by theamk »

Isinlor wrote: post #18
ultrarunner wrote: post #7

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As someone who has been out of the PHP game for a long time, is it still a viable choice for new software? I don't have fond memories of the language at that time, so seeing PHP in the demo video poster frame was an immediate mark against pitching this at my company. That made me wonder whether it's a reasonable reaction to have. Edit for the downvoters— this is an honest question and I very much agree that we can ne…

PHP is a very good choice. If you want to refresh your knowledge of PHP take a look here: https://phptherightway.com/ It's fast. PHP has great documentation. PHP ecosystem is now based around Composer, in comparison to mess of package management in JavaScript and Python, Composer is just wonderful to use. Packagist has ton of libraries. Share nothing architecture is very easy to maintain and scale. You can do strict…

I did a quick look through PhpTheRightWay website, and I saw no mention of the advice that php user should have no permissions to change app code -- or in other words, that "deploy" and "run" users should be different.

Is this the recommended practice now? Because that was the main reason to avoid PHP codebases for me. Having an app where any code execution bug instantly leads to permanent compromise scares me deeply.

Re: Show HN: A self-hosted email engine

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Post by masukomi »

PetahNZ wrote: post #28
rolleiflex wrote: post #19

I think this is a more modern alternative to Sendy ( https://sendy.co/ ) which is a little cheaper. (no affiliation except being a user) Sendy does look like it has more features though - and it has been around for far longer, corner cases debugged and all. I’d love to hear how this is any different from Sendy.

Sendy has abysmal performance for large lists though.

that's because SES HATES being used. IT's very much a "If you absolutely _must_ send and email from here.. fine. we'll let you, but you _really_ ought to use some other service."

Re: Show HN: A self-hosted email engine

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Post by masukomi »

Tomte wrote: post #27
corobo wrote: post #26

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Composer is the apt, yum, dnf, npm, pip, etc of PHP

And it's a hurdle when the audience is small non-tech businesses wanting a newsletter. For a dev company, maybe even integrating it into one of their applications, great! Sendy targets very much the former ones. I just assume MailCoach does, too, but I don't really know.

It's a hurdle for anyone who isn't a PHP developer. Why would anyone else have reason to know that?

Re: Show HN: A self-hosted email engine

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Post by masukomi »

stiray wrote: post #37

Please endure my ignorance, but what is this? Spamtool with a potential feedback trough images in html mail that report back if email was viewed? I just don't get it, this can be acomplished very simply with shell script and web server... or?

some folks actually create valuable newsletters worth reading.

but yeah, it'll be used to spam people about your "latest offerings" and "great new features" and...

Re: Show HN: A self-hosted email engine

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Post by gramakri »

We send our newsletters via mailtrain - https://github.com/Mailtrain-org/mailtrain with postmark as the backend. Where mailtrain falls short is the template editor but since we are geeks we get by with some raw html :)

Is there a way to try mailcoach without paying for it first? Is there an API to import users?

Re: Show HN: A self-hosted email engine

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Post by JoshTriplett »

masukomi wrote: post #46
PetahNZ wrote: post #28

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Sendy has abysmal performance for large lists though.

that's because SES HATES being used. IT's very much a "If you absolutely _must_ send and email from here.. fine. we'll let you, but you _really_ ought to use some other service."

Can you elaborate a little on that? SES looks reasonable from the outside; what problems does it have that other email services don't?
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