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Lenovo now shipping Ubuntu on high end workstations in the US

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Re: Lenovo now shipping Ubuntu on high end workstations in the US

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This is great but I'd still just format the drives and load from an image I put onto a thumb drive. Who knows what new glassfish-esq malware they have integrated into the factory OS.

I think you meant Superfish, glassfish is a Java EE Server (that I wish to never have to touch again)

I was slightly confused lmao. Was wondering why on earth Lenovo was trying to push web servers

Re: Lenovo now shipping Ubuntu on high end workstations in the US

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post #19

I went to the linked page and tried to make configuration changes - the same computer with and without Windows. I couldn't find that option. On Dell's website, they let you do this to many of their workstation computers and it appears that the cost of Windows is around $200. What's interesting is that when they are clearing out stock and they offer some basic workstation configurations at $500 or so, you can still de…

I messed with the low-end config a a bit, and it looked like the "Windows 10 Pro 64bit English,Spanish,French" license is more like around $100. Still a nice drop though. Too bad there's no way to choose "No OS installed", but maybe Canonical kicks them a little bit of money to offer Ubuntu.

Why would canonical pay for that?

Re: Lenovo now shipping Ubuntu on high end workstations in the US

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post #5

This is great but I'd still just format the drives and load from an image I put onto a thumb drive. Who knows what new glassfish-esq malware they have integrated into the factory OS.

Reinstalling doesn’t necessarily help - coincidentally (or not), Lenovo has been caught in the past embedding crap into the firmware so it persists through reinstalls. https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150812/11395231925/lenov...

If I remember correctly they could only do this because of a Windows feature.

Re: Lenovo now shipping Ubuntu on high end workstations in the US

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I messed with the low-end config a a bit, and it looked like the "Windows 10 Pro 64bit English,Spanish,French" license is more like around $100. Still a nice drop though. Too bad there's no way to choose "No OS installed", but maybe Canonical kicks them a little bit of money to offer Ubuntu.

Didn't Europe (maybe someone else) forbid shipping computers without operating systems? Might be because of that.

It seems that in 2016 there was a ruling[1] that said it's not illegal to sell them _with_ an OS preinstalled (and included in the price).

> The CJEU ruled that it's legal to bundle PCs with software without indicating their prices separately, and that offering consumers no choice but to buy the PC with the software is also legal, "unless such a practice is contrary to the requirements of professional diligence and materially distorts or is likely to materially distort the economic behavior of the average consumer with regard to the product, a matter which is for the national court to determine by taking account of the specific circumstances of the case in the main proceedings."

[1] https://www.pcworld.com/article/3117584/consumers-have-no-ri...

Re: Lenovo now shipping Ubuntu on high end workstations in the US

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I'm not sure how Ubuntu desktop became the standard for Linux desktop.

I love Ubuntu server, but some quick issues with Ubuntu desktop- Netflix needs a hard to install plugin, mouse acceleration cannot be disabled completely, unstable operating system installs that could break with a reboot or update.

Like I said, love ubuntu server, but I can't understand why Ubuntu desktop is recommended.

Re: Lenovo now shipping Ubuntu on high end workstations in the US

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post #15

That’s neat. Does anyone know why they are targeting a 3D animation workload, specifically? Is there software for rendering ran on Linux machines that’s used in industry?

Linux is very 'tweakable' so it is used a lot for custom software and custom pipelines. A lot of software can be run on almost all operating systems. Including software that is used by the industry, like Houdini, Blender, Unity, CryEngine, Unreal Engine. And so on. So yeah, Linux is used a lot in the 3D industry. But my guess is that when it comes to CAD/CAM Windows is still leading.

I think that's very much true in terms of engineering CAD/CAM. As far as I know (and I check back fairly often), none of the major CAD packages in Solidworks, Autodesk Inventor, CATIA or Creo work on Linux. The only local Linux CAD project I know of (if you exclude some of the browser-based ones) that's remotely comparable in terms of general 3D parametric design is the open-source FreeCAD, which has come a long way, but doesn't even support things like ordinate dimensions in drawings or have an official governing body for development.

I been at companies with plenty of developers running Linux on their primary machine, but have never seen that be the case for someone doing engineering 3D design. Obviously that's just my anecdotal experience, but it seems to line up well with what I know about the situation across the industry as well.

It seems like a bit of a shame- with some of the RISC-V chips coming out, and tools like KiCad, one could conceivably put together an entire hardware development toolchain from low/no-cost open-source components, but the tooling around mechanical build processes more or less requires buying seat licenses for it at the moment.

Re: Lenovo now shipping Ubuntu on high end workstations in the US

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I'm not sure how Ubuntu desktop became the standard for Linux desktop. I love Ubuntu server, but some quick issues with Ubuntu desktop- Netflix needs a hard to install plugin, mouse acceleration cannot be disabled completely, unstable operating system installs that could break with a reboot or update. Like I said, love ubuntu server, but I can't understand why Ubuntu desktop is recommended.

> Like I said, love ubuntu server, but I can't understand why Ubuntu desktop is recommended.

Have you been using linux on the desktop for any period of time, mon ami? It shouldn't be a surprise why it is so popular. For a long time "it just worked" out of the box.

I've run debian, gentoo, arch, centos, freebsd for a minute, and linux mint -- mint being an ubuntu derivitive -- and only fedora and ubuntu played nicely out of the box. And of those two, only ubuntu made ndiswrapper and wifi drivers function adequately without handholding (though fedora 20 and newer are great).

If anything, I'm surprised ubuntu server is a thing. For the server I'd just slap on debian or centos and be done with it.

Re: Lenovo now shipping Ubuntu on high end workstations in the US

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post #7

Ships with Windows or Ubuntu. RHEL 7.3 officially supported. Well, this is a positive development. I'd really like to see official support for something in the ThinkPad line, but after jumping through some hoops during installation, I've had zero problems running Arch on my Carbon X1.

> RHEL 7.3 officially supported

aka Fedora is supported. neat.

Re: Lenovo now shipping Ubuntu on high end workstations in the US

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I'm not sure how Ubuntu desktop became the standard for Linux desktop. I love Ubuntu server, but some quick issues with Ubuntu desktop- Netflix needs a hard to install plugin, mouse acceleration cannot be disabled completely, unstable operating system installs that could break with a reboot or update. Like I said, love ubuntu server, but I can't understand why Ubuntu desktop is recommended.

I'm not a "Linux community member" but I have never understood why having a popular distro that included non-F/OSS libraries and tools in the distro to make the transition easier for people coming from macOS and Linux was such a bad thing or a reason to fight. If, instead of Ubuntu, something like Mint were the Linux distro option for Lenovo, HP, Dell, etc then new users could do "common user things" like watch Netflix, play a DVD, etc. Those of us a little more hard core already know how to get Fedora, Debian, or Slackware running (and drivers cajoled into working) on the hardware so why not aim for a larger audience? Making Mint a popular choice will be a benefit for Debian (and Ubuntu as long as LMDE isn't the flavor or Mint being offered and supported).
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