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Re: Dino: An open-source application for XMPP messaging

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Post by dwaite »

dragontamer wrote: post #69
rakoo wrote: post #64

While I've been a believer of XMPP and still believes it has a place, I have to admit that it doesn't have the appeal it once has. Now the IM protocol du jour is Matrix, which might or might not know the same fate; who knows. And another one might come later, and there are already others today that exist and are widely used. I think it's high time we had a concerted effort to have one great UI (probably per platform)…

I feel like the focus of XMPP puts the effort in the wrong place. FreeNode IRC is still used because community effort to maintain the channels. Similarly, subreddits live or die by community moderation. An effort that simplifies channel maintenance, like how easy it is to open a new Subreddit (the #1 portal, a static website URL representing your community identity) is the most important step forward. Once you establ…

I agree, somewhat.

XMPP was primarily about person-to-person communication, with group channels being a separate add-on.

Part of iMessage's popularity is the ability to have group conversations the same way as those person to person communications - to the point where SMS users may get excluded from conversations.

IRC is just a terrible architecture which is exposed in its protocol, but it will survive a long time because you fire it up to participate in a community, not just to talk to an individual person.

IMHO paid tools like Slack got adoption when we had pre-existing protocols and clients for decades prior because it works as a package community-as-a-service (imho, to the point of being a detriment to usability). We had the technology to solve the problem, but the packaging and focus made it a legitimate product.

Re: Dino: An open-source application for XMPP messaging

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Post by BlueTemplar »

asnyder wrote: post #29

Looks like a nice project, but why wouldn't one use http://pidgin.im , which also supports XMPP and as far as I know is pretty solid, works well, and is also cross-platform? What advantages does this have over Pidgin?

Last time I checked, Pidgin couldn't do cross *nix/Windows videoconferencing. So I picked Jitsi instead.

Re: Dino: An open-source application for XMPP messaging

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Post by upofadown »

als0 wrote: post #33
asnyder wrote: post #29

Looks like a nice project, but why wouldn't one use http://pidgin.im , which also supports XMPP and as far as I know is pretty solid, works well, and is also cross-platform? What advantages does this have over Pidgin?

The enormous selection of Pidgin plugins (e.g. Discord, Office365, IRC, etc) also makes it really hard for me to give it up for a prettier program like Dino. I hope Dino supports at least OTR encryption.

That sounds unlikely. Now that OMEMO is the hotness the interest in OTR has dropped pretty much to zero in the XMPP world. The Conversations client used to support OTR but that support has been discontinued.

Re: Dino: An open-source application for XMPP messaging

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Post by zapzupnz »

kick wrote: post #25
kawfey wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not a linux hater, but as long as it's in linux-land, there won't be much mass adoption. Not necessarily a bad thing, but might as well named it YAXC and tossed it into the list[0] (oh turns out Dino is on the list and there's already something called YAXIM) [0] https://xmpp.org/software/clients.html

What's the point in this comment? What good do you possibly think could have came from saying that? Not only are you pointing out something that they have already considered , you're pointing it out in an arrogant way, right after they say that they had already considered it and wanted something that would render your comment void , and on top of that, you end it with insulting the project. I'm genuinely fascinated:…

I'm actually more interested in an explication for the mindset behind this comment's condescending tone.

It's a fair enough comment to make — the notion that mass adoption comes by catering to the masses is not one that should be so readily dismissed with a downvote and aggressive italicisation.

In a discussion of an XMPP client that's specifically designed for mass appeal, in this modern world of iMessage, Facebook Messenger, WhatsApp, Slack, and Discord, it's a perfectly reasonable point to bring up.

Re: Dino: An open-source application for XMPP messaging

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Post by upofadown »

drcross wrote: post #55

Slightly off topic but I've never had success with self hosted prosody and the "conversations" app being able to share photos/memes as one would in WhatsApp or telegram. This is the one thing keeping me from being able to sell my non-tech friends on it, has anyone had any luck in this regard?

Enable the "http_upload" module if you have not yet done so.

Re: Dino: An open-source application for XMPP messaging

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Post by upofadown »

nightbrawler wrote: post #44

Used to communicate with a bunch of friends via AIM, then Google Talk (XMPP), then Yahoo IM... we gave up after the last one shutdown. What's the goto XMPP service these days?

Dunno. I think you just pick a server you like and use that:

* https://list.jabber.at/

Re: Dino: An open-source application for XMPP messaging

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Post by random3 »

rakoo wrote: post #64

While I've been a believer of XMPP and still believes it has a place, I have to admit that it doesn't have the appeal it once has. Now the IM protocol du jour is Matrix, which might or might not know the same fate; who knows. And another one might come later, and there are already others today that exist and are widely used. I think it's high time we had a concerted effort to have one great UI (probably per platform)…

I was going to mention SSBC (ssbc.github.io). Is there a good write-up comparing the two?

Re: Dino: An open-source application for XMPP messaging

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Post by dependenttypes »

I tried Dino for a bit but returned to gajim straight away. Apparently Dino auto-accepts all omemo keys by default and while there is a way to globally disable it all of your current contacts will keep it on by default and I really did not feel like going through every single contact that I have and disabling it (as well as the keys that it accepted in the way).

Re: Dino: An open-source application for XMPP messaging

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Post by dependenttypes »

BlueTemplar wrote: post #70
rakoo wrote: post #64

While I've been a believer of XMPP and still believes it has a place, I have to admit that it doesn't have the appeal it once has. Now the IM protocol du jour is Matrix, which might or might not know the same fate; who knows. And another one might come later, and there are already others today that exist and are widely used. I think it's high time we had a concerted effort to have one great UI (probably per platform)…

While it's worrying that Matrix uses the layer 7 HTTP (does it make it "layer 8"?) compared to XMPP's potentially more efficient use of layer 4 TCP, it's still better than the closed alternatives... (And JSON > XML !)

It is actually a good idea to use https rather than your own protocol because then your network provider/government will not be able to (easily) find out that you aren't just making https requests using your browser. Useful for people living in oppressive governments as well as employees/students under restrictive firewalls. In addition to that this will get more efficient once we have http over quic.
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