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Medallion Fund “Stretches Explanation to the Limit,” Professor Claims

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Re: Medallion Fund “Stretches Explanation to the Limit,” Professor Claims

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Ok, new Medallion-like fund accepts lower returns, meaning its partners get better deals then under Medallion. Why wouldn't they leave Medallion? This is since 1988 apparently. I don't buy that they are the "smartest people" or that they are doing something so amazing that others don't get.

Medallion is for employees of Renaissance. It doesn't have customers/partners. If you accept that Renaissance is good at what it does, it's simple to posit that Renaiisance reserves its most profitable activities for its own employees as preferred customers/partners, as a compensation vehicle and a PR/recruiting tactic to make Renaissance look more impressive. Medallion is like Google's "X", in that sense. This expla…

as @jkaptur said, with "partners" I meant their trading partners, clients, service providers. The OP suggested that maybe Medallion has an advantage and kept it. I suggested that a new hedge fund would pay the Medallion partners more and accept less in profit than Medallion.

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There are strict regulatory obligations to the outside investors that would make that transfer illegal.

illegal, sure. But let's say there are some very bad actors involved... would it be possible? People have been known to do illegal things in finance and have tried to cover their tracks in the past.

Nope. This used to be quite common in the 80s (you would run a public fund, and allocate losing positions to pension funds) but doesn't happen today.

Re: Medallion Fund “Stretches Explanation to the Limit,” Professor Claims

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Yes, this is called "decay", and it's why you don't want to hold a leveraged fund over any long period.

According to my models there are very few market environments in which you would make less money with a leverage ratio of 2.5x. In order maximize return your leverage should be: Expected Return/Expected Variance For example even if the expected return is 1% and the vol 5%, the ideal leverage ratio for maximizing return is 4x! In short, a 2-3x leveraged ETF is an excellent investment and should outperform the index in…

I can appreciate this, but the fund decay actually has nothing to do with leverage.

All "leveraged" ETFs (to the best of my knowledge) are synthetic - they achieve their "leverage" using derivatives, not by borrowing. These derivatives are not free, and like an option, can expire worthless. That's how the value in these ETFs evaporates over time, regardless of how the market performs.

Re: Medallion Fund “Stretches Explanation to the Limit,” Professor Claims

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Of the wild theories I've heard to explain the Medallion Fund, my favorite is the "money wormhole." I have no finance qualifications whatsoever -- I just stick my money in index funds -- but I love a good conspiracy theory, so here goes. The idea is that you have two theoretically unrelated funds that take complementary positions with uneven odds. One sacrifices performance for the other, effectively transmitting mon…

The "only" problem with your theory is that the "sucker funds" have to lose 100 billion, which won't go unnoticed by the "suckers"

People who are looking to launder significant amounts of money would gladly sign up to be the "sucker" in this hypothetical scenario.

Re: Medallion Fund “Stretches Explanation to the Limit,” Professor Claims

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I have a much more simpler (not based on any evidence) theory which kind of explains the founders' alignment with Russian interests.

Most of medaillon's returns are made with insider trading from hacking. The data science part is just come up with explanations that are complex enough and not easily disproven (e.g. find a correlating variable and explain that you had a magic algo that derived prediction from that correlating variable after the fact).

It's a perfect crime, but you would need to setup crazy incentive structures for all the team members and their immediate family to keep it secret... and that's what they are doing.

I would guess they used Russian hackers for the job, given that the fund is heavily funding Russian political interests in western countries.

I would recommend the SEC to dive really deep with appropriate expertise into this magic fund and double-check this simple theory of mine. Just for national security reasons alone.

(note again: this is a conspiracy theory and not evidence or fact-based)

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>Renaissance is simply better than anyone in the world at finding the markets where traders are willing to pay the highest premiums for liquidity, and providing it in a timely and measured dose that ensures they skim the cream off the profit opportunity. Why are they better? This still requires the same kind of explanation as 'they are simply better at investing than anyone in the world'

>Why are they better? Possible explanation: there aren't any other firms founded by as great mathematicians as the founders of Renaissance. I saw a quote online attributed to them, something like: "We hire the A-grade mathematicians. Most other firms hire B and C grade mathematicians, and don't even know the A grade exists". This fits my experience, as a D-grade mathematician working in finance. Never heard of signif…

This is only half of it. If you look at all their early employees, Robert Frey/James Patterson have profiles, they were people who knew the maths AND knew how to apply it.

If you look at AHL, they have lots of people who know the maths. They have their own institute at Oxford ffs (the number of people who don't have PHds from Oxbridge there is small), and they have crap performance, year-in, year-out.

It is a typical flaw of human nature to assume that when someone else does something extraordinary that they have some secret knowledge you don't. People on here talking about discrete topology and all kinds of craziness...read the book, one of the big early advantages that RenTech had was they sent some guy down to the Fed to transcribe by hand data that no-one else had. Another example is their stat arb strategy didn't work for years, until they worked out how to get good execution.

I am not saying that it is only this but if you read the book, there are several instances where RenTech try to apply something complex and it doesn't work...and the success they have is after doing something simple, marginally better than anyone else...again, to a certain kind of person, this simplicity is offensive but it is also why most people with technical backgrounds get destroyed by the market.

Also, one thing that is kind of unclear. Simons had almost nothing to do with the perf. By the early 90s, he wasn't personally active anymore (he was spending most of his time on venture capital). The step change was hiring Brown and Mercer (again, two guys who clearly knew the maths but had spent most of their time in industry). Ppl assume that Simons is in the boiler room doing all kinds of crazy technical stuff...he wasn't (most of the time that he ran the fund, it didn't do well at all).

Re: Medallion Fund “Stretches Explanation to the Limit,” Professor Claims

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My long standing hypothesis on Medallion is that they figured out how to apply gauge theoretic techniques to financial markets. This fits with Simons work that he did before he founded the fund. The fact that gauge theory is applicable to for example currency trading is folk knowledge in the Havard, Princeton, IAS circles (here is for example the lecture notes of a popular lecture by Maldacena that uses currency trad…

You should read the book. Simons had almost nothing to do with the strategy (he managed money in the 80s, he got lucky but it didn't go well generally). They tried several complex ideas, none of them worked. And the advantages they had were doing simple things well (better execution, having better data, etc.).

Re: Medallion Fund “Stretches Explanation to the Limit,” Professor Claims

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My long standing hypothesis on Medallion is that they figured out how to apply gauge theoretic techniques to financial markets. This fits with Simons work that he did before he founded the fund. The fact that gauge theory is applicable to for example currency trading is folk knowledge in the Havard, Princeton, IAS circles (here is for example the lecture notes of a popular lecture by Maldacena that uses currency trad…

My theory is that they use Hidden Markov Models to figure out something subtle about the market -- probably regimes. I got this impressions from several of Simons interviews, and then the recent book has added more clues. Note that the Baum-Welch algo is one of the leading algos used to solve the underlying model and Baum worked at Rentech.

There is a book that explains what Baum did (it wasn't this).
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