Stadia owners on Reddit blasting Google over radio silence and lack of support • Hacker News Board

Re: Stadia owners on Reddit blasting Google over radio silence and lack of support

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Post by Macha » Wed, Jan 29, 2020, 2:06 PM UTC

ethbro wrote: post #63

SmirkingRevenge wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All the consoles go through the same thing every time there's a new generation. The consoles have never been backwards compatible, each generation invalidates your previous library. And they always begin with tiny libraries. Here we are in 2020 and only now have Sony and Microsoft begun talking about backwards compatibility in future console generations.

Never is a strong word. The initial version of the PS2 had dedicated hardware to be fully compatible with PS1 games.

Re: Stadia owners on Reddit blasting Google over radio silence and lack of support

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Post by P_I_Staker » Wed, Jan 29, 2020, 2:13 PM UTC

dangus wrote: post #54

tracer4201 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My family couldn’t afford a PS2 or N64. I certainly can now - my library of games over the past few years has been all PS2, N64, and Dreamcast games. Aside from The Witcher 3, I have had a hard time finding great games in the newer generation of consoles and PC games. The older games have character, beautiful animations, tons of creativity. I’m sure not all new games are bad, but just doing a direct comparison I don’…

Don’t forget section bias. There were a lot of trash games in the PS2 era and before, and worst of all, many of them barely functioned on a technical level compared to today’s games. Of course KOTOR is good, it was probably the best RPG of its half decade and it won GOTY awards all over the place. The same year KOTOR came out, Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing was also released. And besides abysmal games like that, a lo…

I found this to some degree with Vice City. I didn't end up getting very far in it and didn't enjoy it like San Andreas... Which I loved, and could probably even still play. I think it was something about the gameplay being frustrating. This wasn't exactly recent either, I played in between San Andreas and GTAIV.

Sands of time, however, was different. If memory serves, it holds up okay. I played it around the same time. It's an old game, so you have to factor that in, but I recall it being pretty decent. COD type games tend to suffer, due to their draw being state of the art shooters, vs. true "creativity". For some reason, I don't feel that way about UT2004, CS:Source, and others. Maybe that's just bias.

Re: Stadia owners on Reddit blasting Google over radio silence and lack of support

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Post by P_I_Staker » Wed, Jan 29, 2020, 2:17 PM UTC

andrewstuart wrote: post #37

I'm sort of surprised anyone bought Stadia. What problem does it really solve?

I totally understand the draw. No need for equipment, and works on any platform, everywhere. Steam streaming was an interesting game-changer for me, until I gave on it, due to performance concerns. You could play it in every room, on any machine, and it worked pretty darn well; I was impressed.

Re: Stadia owners on Reddit blasting Google over radio silence and lack of support

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Post by tazard » Wed, Jan 29, 2020, 2:43 PM UTC

daemin wrote: post #61

Polylactic_acid wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think its less about the gap but more about the fact that the product was released in a not suitable state and then left like that for 40 days. If they had released it mid year and fixed all of the issues before the holidays people would be ok with that. It gives off the vibe that this is another one of googles random side projects that no one really cares about and will be scrapped in a year. Which is extra concer…

And in this case you only get to keep the hardware you bought, not the games since they are not physical. Though I don't think the hardware would be all that usable if the service was shut down.

The Chromecast is a Chromecast, and the controller works on my PC with steam just fine. (Although it appears wireless doesn't work)

Re: Stadia owners on Reddit blasting Google over radio silence and lack of support

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Post by falcolas » Wed, Jan 29, 2020, 3:14 PM UTC

ehsankia wrote: post #23

smt88 wrote: post #2

This was predictable both specifically and in general. Google does not support their products , period. They stop updating them meaningfully -- years before announcing that they're terminated -- and they refuse to have a human customer service team. G Suite is possibly the only exception.

I'm sorry, but 4 weeks, 2 of weeks were the holidays, is by NO means "not supporting their products". What company releases an update faster than every 4 weeks?

Closer to 6 weeks. 40 days, not 4 weeks. And for a platform that under-delivered so dramatically on its launch and who postponed so many features, being radio silent for over 2/3 of its lifespan is not a good sign.

People put down a lot of money for the right to purchase games at higher-than-normal (compared to a PC) prices. I can certainly understand the ire at the radio silence.

Re: Stadia owners on Reddit blasting Google over radio silence and lack of support

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Post by mrep » Wed, Jan 29, 2020, 3:44 PM UTC

Jamwinner wrote: post #59

Did people not see this project as clearly stillborn? The radio silence (when it comes to fixes, issues) is not new, nor have I heard a single positive comment about the service. This feels like investors and users alike got scammed by a product not ready for prime time. Did they assume they could fix it after boot? I really, really hate this trend of building the plane in flight with passengers present (paying custo…

> nor have I heard a single positive comment about the service.

Really? I have it and it works just as well as when I had a xbox and gaming pc. You can look through some of the other stadia threads here and on reddit and find plenty of other people who think it works well too.

Re: Stadia owners on Reddit blasting Google over radio silence and lack of support

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Post by tmpz22 » Wed, Jan 29, 2020, 3:55 PM UTC

lspears wrote: post #32

I am siding with Google on this one. Stadia is amazing. I play games with zero lag on both my TV and MBP when normally I would have to buy two copies. Reddit has been freaking out at every step to get more features for a platform they supposedly hate. Products over promise on timelines all the time. Chill.

My problem is that I don’t know who to trust.

Clearly I can’t trust Googles marketing or Sales copy after how it handled this initial launch.

There are a lot of videos and reviews that mark it as a poor product I.e. it’s launch title Destiny having an impossibly small player population for multiplayer activities.

And then there are people who give it shining reviews such as yourself who seems like a reasonable human but is still only one data point.

So I’ll wait and remember this consumer experience for every google product that gets pitched to me.

Re: Stadia owners on Reddit blasting Google over radio silence and lack of support

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Post by rchaud » Wed, Jan 29, 2020, 3:58 PM UTC

6gvONxR4sf7o wrote: post #40

SimeVidas wrote: post #34

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Meanwhile on Switch eShop: 10 to 20 new games released every single week of the year (many of them mediocre, but still). When you’re a massive global video game streaming service, you’re supposed to plan ahead a bit, don’t you think. This is not a mom and pop store.

It's tough to compare a company's first few steps into gaming to the established machine that is Nintendo.

I think a company with Google's resources would have hired people with the necessary experience to run the project.

Re: Stadia owners on Reddit blasting Google over radio silence and lack of support

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Post by rchaud » Wed, Jan 29, 2020, 4:01 PM UTC

ethbro wrote: post #63

SmirkingRevenge wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All the consoles go through the same thing every time there's a new generation. The consoles have never been backwards compatible, each generation invalidates your previous library. And they always begin with tiny libraries. Here we are in 2020 and only now have Sony and Microsoft begun talking about backwards compatibility in future console generations.

Never is a strong word. The initial version of the PS2 had dedicated hardware to be fully compatible with PS1 games.

The first PS2 model came out ~20 years ago, and likely offered backwards compatibility only because very few developers then were building games to maximize the capabilities of DVD storage.

Re: Stadia owners on Reddit blasting Google over radio silence and lack of support

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Post by rchaud » Wed, Jan 29, 2020, 4:05 PM UTC

Crash0v3rid3 wrote: post #16

They made a post on /r/stadia a few hours ago announcing some free games for the month which has been well received. I agree the radio silence wasn't great but blasting Google has become the new pasttime here. Does anyone else feel like we're just becoming a predictable echo chamber?

> I agree the radio silence wasn't great but blasting Google has become the new pasttime here.

I see similar comments on stories about WeWork, or Apple, or Facebook, or Amazon.