For me it is Clojure(script) + libraries, no frameworks.
Which libraries do you use? Do you use Ring? We use Luminus with Reagent and re-frame at work.
Ask HN: Fastest/easiest framework to build a web application in 2020?
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Re: Ask HN: Fastest/easiest framework to build a web application in 2020?
#82Hahah. I just published a blog post on this very topic. I will self-promote and link it here as it is certainly relevant:
https://www.simplecto.com/django-my-go-to-application-framew...
Following on that, enough HNers have laid out the Django story, but I want to give some more depth to it. This is my entire stack:
- Linux Server/VM Hosted anywhere (I like Azure, Digital Ocean, or Scaleway) - Docker. Just plain docker - Postgresql running in docker - Django in a container - Intercoolerjs for easy and slick Ajax-like front-end work - Traefik for reverse proxy and TLS with LetsEncrypt - Sentry for catching production bugs (easy three-lines added to your config) - Bitbucket pipelines for CI/CD
For smaller projects I run tests locally in docker containers and then push directly into produciton. I dont bother with full CI/CD because I don't need the complexity of it all.
Re: Ask HN: Fastest/easiest framework to build a web application in 2020?
#83I gave a talk a couple of years ago about using WordPress and still highly recommend it. It solves so many problems out of the box - account management, routing, CRUD, etc. Here's a video of the talk:
https://wordpress.tv/2019/04/23/corey-maass-build-a-web-app-...
There are a number of large web apps that use it, so it's not just for MVP's. I also heard the book "Building Web Apps with WordPress: WordPress as an Application Framework" will be getting a second edition this year.
It's not the coolest, shiniest option, but a solid one, I think.
Re: Ask HN: Fastest/easiest framework to build a web application in 2020?
#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do most people actually use a js front-end and a rest backend? It's still brittle, it's still user hostile and it's still slow. Seems like a massive waste of time and a vanity project to me. I'm still mainly doing server-side templates coupled with complicated js widgets when I really need them.
A js front end itself (versus templates) is probably a wash for most use cases, but the benefits of having a REST back end that imposes a clear separation between the front end and the back end is enormous. IMHO the benefits are big enough to make it worth re-writing the front end over again every 5 years until the front end folks eventually get their act together. Just try to make sure you're doing as little logic a…
I've not seen any of those magic benefits, just had massive pains with debugging and maintainability.
Re: Ask HN: Fastest/easiest framework to build a web application in 2020?
#85The setup I'm using right probably can't be picked by "anyone" but I think is the best/future-proof for small apps and it's also very easy to maintain if you are growing.
- Front-End: Vue.js with Bulma.css - Webpack/Gulp for building JavaScript/SCSS. (I have the blueprint here: https://github.com/omarabid/front-root but there is still no docs and rough edges). The website is/will always be static files generated by Gulp. First frontier for scaling is eased.
- API: I use a GraphQl server. This avoid the mess that is RESTful. It also give me a nice explorer, so I can make my application and be able to roughly work with it before I have an interface ready. This part is also easy to scale.
- Application: Rust. Technically, you can use anything here. But since I don't have any web components (the site is static and the API is served through GraphQl) then I use Rust which I find very productive. Rust generates a compiled program which run inside a container and makes deployment more enjoyable.
- Database: Postgres/Redis.
- Deployment: Everything runs in a container. I use Hashicorp software for deploying and orchestrating the servers. Terraform if I have a simple single server app. Or Consul/Nomad/Vault if I'm running multiple servers.
It might sound complicated but beyond the initial investment to set things up, you have a stable/reliable micro-services app.
Re: Ask HN: Fastest/easiest framework to build a web application in 2020?
#86My personal picks would be: - React for the front end ( https://reactjs.org ) - Node.js for your back end ( https://nodejs.org ) - Deploy using Adapt, which ties your front and back end together using React-like components. ( https://adaptjs.org ). - (Optional) If this project is larger or commercial, definitely use TypeScript on all 3 of the above ( http://www.typescriptlang.org/ ) [Disclosure: I'm a maintainer of A…
Why do you advise TypeScript as a definite for larger or commercial projects? Thank you very much.
Re: Ask HN: Fastest/easiest framework to build a web application in 2020?
#87Ruby on Rails
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#88I still love CodeIgniter for it‘s good documentation, simple deployment (just use SFTP) and easy to learn curve.
Re: Ask HN: Fastest/easiest framework to build a web application in 2020?
#89Some friends are working on budibase.com. We are part of the same incubator programme.
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#90Use what you know.
If you know JS, just stick to Node + Express.
I stick to Go or Node for the backend, and create-react-app for the web client. I prefer Go in most cases because I don't need to rely on many external deps, and I have my own starters for both Go and Node to create services quickly (rest, real time, assets, data/repository)