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Teens don't have a clue about IT? (2016)

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Re: Teens don't have a clue about IT? (2016)

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The motivation is different, that’s all. When we were kids we needed to learn to hack DOS and Windows because our games wouldn’t run without them. Hard drive crashes, SCANDISK, reinstalls, fucked up drivers... whatever it took. My kids can’t fix Win10 but now they know their way around web filters and how to hack Screen Time to bypass the shutoff. They’re trading pirated movies in gDrive and doing all kids of other s…

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Re: Teens don't have a clue about IT? (2016)

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It ought to be a dying trope that kids know tech better than adults. I think the author is correct in observing that tech has become so user friendly and ubiquitous that understanding the basics doesn't really mean much. It's certainly not going to help you get ahead in any field. And as Millenials and gen X gets older, they have been around technology for decades longer, and the tech is no longer changing the workforce as quickly as it was in the '90s and '00s and even early '10s.

Re: Teens don't have a clue about IT? (2016)

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this is just a rant and not constructive.

An observation doesn't need to be constructive. I needs to be relevant and novel. This is a relevant and novel observation. The people seemingly feeling hurt by this - you do realize you're outliers, right?

You're getting downvoted because this is neither relevant nor novel.

The number of folks who genuinely understand computers has been rising at unprecedented rates. Just look at the number of employed programmers.

Does that mean most children understand it? Of course not, just like most adults don't. When Grandma is amazed that her grandkids manage to make Netflix work, I don't think there's any real expectation that they will become software engineers.

This is like bitching that kids from the 1920s don't know how combustion engines work. It's not productive.

Re: Teens don't have a clue about IT? (2016)

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They don't know what their car's choke would have been, or what a dwell tach is. So? They can still drive. Not one in 100,000 could milk a cow. I write assembly code that runs in supervisory mode. My kid couldn't write assembly code to save his life, but just taught me a new algorithm I'd never seen before. And he could learn assembly if he wanted.

Not one in 100,000 could milk a cow.

I know this wasn't your point, but I'll nitpick anyway since that number felt too low, so I checked, and the number seems like it should be closer to 1 in 200.

There are 72M children [1] below the age of 18 in the USA today, so 1 in 100,000 would only be 720 and there's something like 40,000 dairy farms in the USA, and I'd bet every child on those farms older than 8 (probably younger) could manage to milk a cow.

The FFA has 700,000 members [2], and I'd bet that at least half of them could manage to milk a cow, so that's closer to 1 in 200.

This isn't quite a fair comparison since the article above was referring only to "teens", not "children", and the FFA numbers include members up to age 21 and includes members in Puerto Rico and the US Virgin Islands).

[1] https://www.aecf.org/resources/the-changing-child-population...

[2] https://www.ffa.org/our-membership/

Re: Teens don't have a clue about IT? (2016)

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The motivation is different, that’s all. When we were kids we needed to learn to hack DOS and Windows because our games wouldn’t run without them. Hard drive crashes, SCANDISK, reinstalls, fucked up drivers... whatever it took. My kids can’t fix Win10 but now they know their way around web filters and how to hack Screen Time to bypass the shutoff. They’re trading pirated movies in gDrive and doing all kids of other s…

I'd rather be like my kid and worry about making sure his Fortnite is updated than playing the HIMEM.sys jigsaw puzzle that I had to.

I've only got 16MB of ram, Warcraft needs at least 8MB of Extended ram but Quake needs at least 12 MB of Expanded ram. Damn I'm gonna need a boot floppy for one of them.

Re: Teens don't have a clue about IT? (2016)

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The motivation is different, that’s all. When we were kids we needed to learn to hack DOS and Windows because our games wouldn’t run without them. Hard drive crashes, SCANDISK, reinstalls, fucked up drivers... whatever it took. My kids can’t fix Win10 but now they know their way around web filters and how to hack Screen Time to bypass the shutoff. They’re trading pirated movies in gDrive and doing all kids of other s…

Well when I was a kid, I had to program my own games on the C64. Walked uphill to school both ways, too.

Re: Teens don't have a clue about IT? (2016)

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I'd rather be like my kid and worry about making sure his Fortnite is updated than playing the HIMEM.sys jigsaw puzzle that I had to.

I've only got 16MB of ram, Warcraft needs at least 8MB of Extended ram but Quake needs at least 12 MB of Expanded ram. Damn I'm gonna need a boot floppy for one of them.

If you were dealing in MB, you were already more advanced.

Re: Teens don't have a clue about IT? (2016)

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They don't know what their car's choke would have been, or what a dwell tach is. So? They can still drive. Not one in 100,000 could milk a cow. I write assembly code that runs in supervisory mode. My kid couldn't write assembly code to save his life, but just taught me a new algorithm I'd never seen before. And he could learn assembly if he wanted.

Not one in 100,000 could milk a cow. I know this wasn't your point, but I'll nitpick anyway since that number felt too low, so I checked, and the number seems like it should be closer to 1 in 200. There are 72M children [1] below the age of 18 in the USA today, so 1 in 100,000 would only be 720 and there's something like 40,000 dairy farms in the USA, and I'd bet every child on those farms older than 8 (probably youn…

Thanks for the clarification!

I originally had typed "1 in 10,000" but that seemed too many kids....and it turns out I was utterly wrong!

Re: Teens don't have a clue about IT? (2016)

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The abstraction layers they are (typically) comfortable with have shifted 1 or 2 levels up.

Those level ups are pretty bad though. They take you from owning your data and devices to third parties having complete control.

Because we (as a society) failed to make those layers compatible with privacy and data ownership ?

Re: Teens don't have a clue about IT? (2016)

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"When you explain what happens under the hood, they will ignore you. When you tell them what a certain setting probably does, they will ignore you."

So teenagers do what teenagers have always done? I agree with the others - kids who need to figure stuff out will find a way.

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