Even if Clearview somehow shuts down...this sort of thing is basically inevitable without laws to protect our privacy. And honestly, all of these companies that might at least complain when Clearview does it would gladly share this data with the federal government. So I'd be surprised if at least some federal law enforcement agencies have had access to equivalent (and probably better) technology for quite awhile.
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Re: Clearview AI is struggling to address complaints as its legal issues mount
#12There’s going to be legislation. That’s more or less a given at this point. The question is: can we actually get good legislation? My fear is that we’ll get something more along the lines of the EU cookie directive than a full-on GDPR.
So instead of worrying that your biometric data could be captured anywhere and used for anything without your knowledge, you now have to click “I accept” before engaging in any activity with a business or government entity, which then establishes your consent to your biometric data being captured anywhere and used for anything without your knowledge.
Re: Clearview AI is struggling to address complaints as its legal issues mount
#13Hot take: fighting this is a losing battle, because you’re fighting against technology. Can you think of a single technology that society has successfully rejected? It’s pretty hard. In general, once the tech to do X exists, then X will find a way to exist. Instead of crucifying Clearview, it might be better to open a dialogue about regulation in this space. But even that has problems; bitcoin was eventually accepted…
Can you think of a single technology that society has successfully rejected?
Eugenics?
Re: Clearview AI is struggling to address complaints as its legal issues mount
#14Hot take: fighting this is a losing battle, because you’re fighting against technology. Can you think of a single technology that society has successfully rejected? It’s pretty hard. In general, once the tech to do X exists, then X will find a way to exist. Instead of crucifying Clearview, it might be better to open a dialogue about regulation in this space. But even that has problems; bitcoin was eventually accepted…
Can you think of a single technology that society has successfully rejected? Eugenics? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics
Heh. That was the first thing that popped to mind too. But it might be best to avoid the topic.
Still, genetic engineering is marching ever-closer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAhjPd4uNFY
Re: Clearview AI is struggling to address complaints as its legal issues mount
#15Hot take: fighting this is a losing battle, because you’re fighting against technology. Can you think of a single technology that society has successfully rejected? It’s pretty hard. In general, once the tech to do X exists, then X will find a way to exist. Instead of crucifying Clearview, it might be better to open a dialogue about regulation in this space. But even that has problems; bitcoin was eventually accepted…
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Re: Clearview AI is struggling to address complaints as its legal issues mount
#16Hot take: fighting this is a losing battle, because you’re fighting against technology. Can you think of a single technology that society has successfully rejected? It’s pretty hard. In general, once the tech to do X exists, then X will find a way to exist. Instead of crucifying Clearview, it might be better to open a dialogue about regulation in this space. But even that has problems; bitcoin was eventually accepted…
I don't believe this tech is going to be a net good to society, but I do agree that (like the fight against piracy) technology is just going to win here.
I don't have a lot of hope that in the next 50 years we'll be able to prevent the ubiquity of (perhaps 3D printed and untraceable) drones broadcasting HD video to AI curated repositories that track your identity and every word (and bowel movement), if only for the lulz. Your only hope is that you'll be able to afford a home (and work in an office) with all the good countermeasures.
Re: Clearview AI is struggling to address complaints as its legal issues mount
#17Companies like this are Evil. Plain and simple. If your business model involves distributing/processing personal information you had no consent to take and sharing it with 3rd parties, then that's evil.
Cynical take: I'm pretty sure we've all agreed to ToSes that has allowed our faces to end up online. Clearview AI is just doing what a detective with an eye for faces and unlimited time is doing.
I agree that I'm really concerned about the way the surveillance state is creeping in. But it kind of feels like the cat is out of the bag, and moralizing like this is useless.
Re: Clearview AI is struggling to address complaints as its legal issues mount
#18Hot take: fighting this is a losing battle, because you’re fighting against technology. Can you think of a single technology that society has successfully rejected? It’s pretty hard. In general, once the tech to do X exists, then X will find a way to exist. Instead of crucifying Clearview, it might be better to open a dialogue about regulation in this space. But even that has problems; bitcoin was eventually accepted…
Can you think of a single technology that society has successfully rejected? Eugenics? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics
I mean, I'm pretty interesting in doing embryo selection on my future children. Eugenics on my own family, if you will. I agree that it's wrong to apply eugenics to others without their consent!
Re: Clearview AI is struggling to address complaints as its legal issues mount
#19Hot take: fighting this is a losing battle, because you’re fighting against technology. Can you think of a single technology that society has successfully rejected? It’s pretty hard. In general, once the tech to do X exists, then X will find a way to exist. Instead of crucifying Clearview, it might be better to open a dialogue about regulation in this space. But even that has problems; bitcoin was eventually accepted…
Fun fact: the Protocol on Blinding Laser Weapons, 1995 is "the first time since 1868, when the use of exploding bullets was banned, that a weapon of military interest has been banned before its use on the battlefield and before a stream of victims gave visible proof of its tragic effects."
Re: Clearview AI is struggling to address complaints as its legal issues mount
#20How many clearview AIs exist that we don't know about? This is something I could create as a hobby project in my free time so what would someone with real resources be able to do?
Probably several dark versions of this out there have access to this type of technology already. Its just too tempting for maleficent organizations around the world to ignore.
Just think about the investigators around the world (FBI, DEA etc...) who are combating evil organizations but are not careful with the the information the post online; those people are screwed. Time for a new job.
I'm glad that this one was done in the USA so we have a way to bring more light to these issues.
I suspect (and hope) that clearview AI will not last long here in its present form.