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How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by derefr »

criley2 wrote: post #97
dep_b wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As an Android developer I have no reason to own either of those. Of course you do: Please implement this iOS application/feature in Android . Not being able to run an application from Xcode onto an iOS device severely hampers your career. I have to deal with so many Android developers and their output I absolutely cannot afford the luxury to not run Android apps from Android Studio. I don't think Sign In With Apple…

This isn't really a fair comparison because any OSX user can just download and run Android studio for free, while your average Android programmer would require over a thousand dollars (to get a bottom-level Apple device with the worst specifications, or closer to two thousand+ to get competitive hardware) and then a yearly subscription to XCode at $100/year, and that's without having any actual iPhones to test on as…

> while your average Android programmer would require over a thousand dollars (to get a bottom-level Apple device with the worst specifications)

A new one, sure. You could buy a 2012 MBP on Craigslist for $200, and a refurbished iPhone 6 for $50 or less.

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by clay_the_ripper »

criley2 wrote: post #97
dep_b wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As an Android developer I have no reason to own either of those. Of course you do: Please implement this iOS application/feature in Android . Not being able to run an application from Xcode onto an iOS device severely hampers your career. I have to deal with so many Android developers and their output I absolutely cannot afford the luxury to not run Android apps from Android Studio. I don't think Sign In With Apple…

This isn't really a fair comparison because any OSX user can just download and run Android studio for free, while your average Android programmer would require over a thousand dollars (to get a bottom-level Apple device with the worst specifications, or closer to two thousand+ to get competitive hardware) and then a yearly subscription to XCode at $100/year, and that's without having any actual iPhones to test on as…

How much revenue will you generate from supporting Apple users or implementing Apple features? Bottom line is you run a business as a developer and if you can’t afford to spend, maybe a couple hundred bucks then you probably shouldn’t be in business anymore. Companies have no obligation to give you things for free.

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by mobilemidget »

clay_the_ripper wrote: post #117
habosa wrote: post #41

I tried to do a Sign in with Apple integration on Android (wanted the app to have the same options across platforms). Testing on Android was next to impossible. To test I needed an Apple ID with 2FA. But SMS 2FA was not good enough, you need the hardware-based 2FA. To get that you need a recent macOS or iOS device. As an Android developer I have no reason to own either of those. Eventually I just had a friend who own…

You’re an engineer who wants to implement Apple features, yet you don’t want to spend maybe, what, $200 for a test phone? These kinds of complaints are really irritating and disingenuous. My interpretation is that you’re more interested in complaining and finding problems than just buying a test phone and being done with it. It’s not that hard.

Well to be fair he wanted the app to have the same options everywhere. So regardless if he had a test iPhone, he wanted apple sign in to work on android. And probably vice versa too, google login on iPhone.

Personally not a fan of either, separate email/passwords everywhere is what I prefer. But I cant say I have come across a non-apple service/site that offered apple login.

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by ubercow13 »

clay_the_ripper wrote: post #117
habosa wrote: post #41

I tried to do a Sign in with Apple integration on Android (wanted the app to have the same options across platforms). Testing on Android was next to impossible. To test I needed an Apple ID with 2FA. But SMS 2FA was not good enough, you need the hardware-based 2FA. To get that you need a recent macOS or iOS device. As an Android developer I have no reason to own either of those. Eventually I just had a friend who own…

You’re an engineer who wants to implement Apple features, yet you don’t want to spend maybe, what, $200 for a test phone? These kinds of complaints are really irritating and disingenuous. My interpretation is that you’re more interested in complaining and finding problems than just buying a test phone and being done with it. It’s not that hard.

My interpretation of this situation is that as an Apple user, Apple has done me a disservice by putting artificial barriers up that make it harder for third-party developers to provide me, an Apple user, good service.

I don't see any reason to defend that, it seems to be only in Apple's best interest, not mine.

Anyway, it's not $200 for a test phone, it's $200 just for a 2fa device. Meanwhile Yubikeys are $20 and have better battery life.

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by looperhacks »

clay_the_ripper wrote: post #117
habosa wrote: post #41

I tried to do a Sign in with Apple integration on Android (wanted the app to have the same options across platforms). Testing on Android was next to impossible. To test I needed an Apple ID with 2FA. But SMS 2FA was not good enough, you need the hardware-based 2FA. To get that you need a recent macOS or iOS device. As an Android developer I have no reason to own either of those. Eventually I just had a friend who own…

You’re an engineer who wants to implement Apple features, yet you don’t want to spend maybe, what, $200 for a test phone? These kinds of complaints are really irritating and disingenuous. My interpretation is that you’re more interested in complaining and finding problems than just buying a test phone and being done with it. It’s not that hard.

Why should anybody need to buy an iPhone to develop an android app? Using an API that is supposedly supported on android and shouldn't need an apple device?

Btw $200 is not throwaway money for everybody.

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by alistairSH »

espadrine wrote: post #92
reaperducer wrote: post #61

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wanted the app to have the same options across platforms I guess this is the part I don't understand. How did you plan to test across platforms if you don't have an iOS device with which to test?

I don’t know the author, but in a typical company, a project that is meant to work on iOS and Android will be dispatched to separate teams. In this case, the author might be part of the Android team, instructed to make Sign in with Apple work on Android, and they may not even be in the same physical location as the iOS team.

But, if he's at a company with the resources for 2+ mobile dev teams, surely he could convince his manager to purchase an iOS device? We have several drawers full of mobile devices for testing our web apps. Our mobile dev teams have their own piles of devices. It's a cost of doing business.

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by jakobegger »

habosa wrote: post #41

I tried to do a Sign in with Apple integration on Android (wanted the app to have the same options across platforms). Testing on Android was next to impossible. To test I needed an Apple ID with 2FA. But SMS 2FA was not good enough, you need the hardware-based 2FA. To get that you need a recent macOS or iOS device. As an Android developer I have no reason to own either of those. Eventually I just had a friend who own…

> To test I needed an Apple ID with 2FA.

Apple make it such a pain in the ass to get Apple IDs. For example, they block emails from small domains. So I can't use my company email address to get an apple ID.... and I found that out by googling cryptic error messages, they don't even tell you.

They don't want you to have multiple Apple IDs, so you need to store the credentials of your main Apple ID on your build server if you want to notarize apps (which is required for distribution). Also, the notarisation service doesn't support 2FA, so you need to get an app-specific-password that bypasses 2FA.

It's ridiculous. Their security system is so complex and full of holes...

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by jedberg »

I’ve only looked at the docs and not implemented it, but my impression was that if they leave the Apple ecosystem they lose access to your app.

I suppose this is similar to any other “Sign in with” option, but it just seems more likely people will ditch Apple before they ditch gmail or Facebook, since they can keep those around pretty easily without using them or paying for them.

For Apple you need to pay money and actively use it to stay in the ecosystem.

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by [deleted] »

clay_the_ripper wrote: post #117
habosa wrote: post #41

I tried to do a Sign in with Apple integration on Android (wanted the app to have the same options across platforms). Testing on Android was next to impossible. To test I needed an Apple ID with 2FA. But SMS 2FA was not good enough, you need the hardware-based 2FA. To get that you need a recent macOS or iOS device. As an Android developer I have no reason to own either of those. Eventually I just had a friend who own…

You’re an engineer who wants to implement Apple features, yet you don’t want to spend maybe, what, $200 for a test phone? These kinds of complaints are really irritating and disingenuous. My interpretation is that you’re more interested in complaining and finding problems than just buying a test phone and being done with it. It’s not that hard.

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