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Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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pfranz wrote: post #82
ehsankia wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple continues to not give any care whatsoever to anything outside their walled garden. For the longest time you couldn't even preview songs on iTunes store without having iTunes. Want to watch their biggest WWDC live? Had to use Safari until last year. Obviously iMessage and FaceTime are complete no-gos outside their walled garden too. This is how they keep people in. They have to close down their walls as tightly…

For this and many examples I think it's more ignoring those use-cases than maliciously blocking them. > For the longest time you couldn't even preview songs on iTunes store without having iTunes. I'm confused what the use case for this is? > Want to watch their biggest WWDC live? Had to use Safari until last year. Keynote streaming has had a long, weird history over the past decades. Even when Quicktime was dominant,…

> My understanding over the past decade or so has been they've used "standards" to stream, but just the standards Safari had implemented.

It's just HLS, which Chrome didn't support

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by espadrine »

reaperducer wrote: post #61
habosa wrote: post #41

I tried to do a Sign in with Apple integration on Android (wanted the app to have the same options across platforms). Testing on Android was next to impossible. To test I needed an Apple ID with 2FA. But SMS 2FA was not good enough, you need the hardware-based 2FA. To get that you need a recent macOS or iOS device. As an Android developer I have no reason to own either of those. Eventually I just had a friend who own…

wanted the app to have the same options across platforms I guess this is the part I don't understand. How did you plan to test across platforms if you don't have an iOS device with which to test?

I don’t know the author, but in a typical company, a project that is meant to work on iOS and Android will be dispatched to separate teams.

In this case, the author might be part of the Android team, instructed to make Sign in with Apple work on Android, and they may not even be in the same physical location as the iOS team.

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by mcphage »

snowron6 wrote: post #65
ascagnel_ wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My understanding is that "Sign in With Apple" is still officially in beta; once it launches in full, all iOS apps that offer third-party sign ins (like the Google & Facebook options) will be mandated to also offer Apple's OAuth sign-in -- and must give it more prominent placement than third-party services.

>will be mandated to also offer Apple's OAuth sign-in -- and must give it more prominent placement than third-party services. That seems like an abuse of monopoly power.

How so?

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by adamlett »

cptskippy wrote: post #55

We have an on-going issue with Apple's protections going back almost a decade to when they started mucking about with 3rd Party Cookies. This isn't entirely their fault, blame also lies with the vendor we've chosen and our architecture for SSO. That being said, there are valid use cases for tracking users across websites. I work for a nonprofit that does fundraising using every imaginable PaaS or SaaS platform as wel…

That being said, there are valid use cases for tracking users across websites.

Strong disagree.

It works for the most part everywhere except Safari where a few of our integrations just cannot and will not work due to their use of 3rd Party Cookies.

It sucks to have sunk so much time and effort into a solution only to have external factors render it unworkable, and I feel for you. But it is entirely possible to implement SSO across multiple domains without relying on 3rd party cookies. I know because we use Apereo CAS, which is one such solution at my company.

https://www.apereo.org/projects/cas

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by chrispeel »

cptskippy wrote: post #55

We have an on-going issue with Apple's protections going back almost a decade to when they started mucking about with 3rd Party Cookies. This isn't entirely their fault, blame also lies with the vendor we've chosen and our architecture for SSO. That being said, there are valid use cases for tracking users across websites. I work for a nonprofit that does fundraising using every imaginable PaaS or SaaS platform as wel…

> That being said, there are valid use cases for tracking users across websites. I work for a nonprofit ...

Could you explain "valid use" more? I hope that you're not implying that we should allow all non-profits to track people across websites so they can do fundraising.

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by rhacker »

habosa wrote: post #41

I tried to do a Sign in with Apple integration on Android (wanted the app to have the same options across platforms). Testing on Android was next to impossible. To test I needed an Apple ID with 2FA. But SMS 2FA was not good enough, you need the hardware-based 2FA. To get that you need a recent macOS or iOS device. As an Android developer I have no reason to own either of those. Eventually I just had a friend who own…

PSA: If you're going to implement Sign in with Apple, PLEASE implement Sign in with Google (and vice versa).

This is the EXACT issue we had when Apple Pay/Android Pay came out. The solution was for POS vendors to just implement both, always.

SO, that's the solution here.

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by criley2 »

dep_b wrote: post #78
habosa wrote: post #41

I tried to do a Sign in with Apple integration on Android (wanted the app to have the same options across platforms). Testing on Android was next to impossible. To test I needed an Apple ID with 2FA. But SMS 2FA was not good enough, you need the hardware-based 2FA. To get that you need a recent macOS or iOS device. As an Android developer I have no reason to own either of those. Eventually I just had a friend who own…

> As an Android developer I have no reason to own either of those. Of course you do: Please implement this iOS application/feature in Android . Not being able to run an application from Xcode onto an iOS device severely hampers your career. I have to deal with so many Android developers and their output I absolutely cannot afford the luxury to not run Android apps from Android Studio. I don't think Sign In With Apple…

This isn't really a fair comparison because any OSX user can just download and run Android studio for free, while your average Android programmer would require over a thousand dollars (to get a bottom-level Apple device with the worst specifications, or closer to two thousand+ to get competitive hardware) and then a yearly subscription to XCode at $100/year, and that's without having any actual iPhones to test on as well.

So it makes sense that for you, spending $0 to test on Android makes sense, but on the flip side, Apple has intentionally engineered their developer program to have a four figure entrance fee, and frankly most indie developers can't shell out potentially several thousand dollars on OSX/iOS devices and licenses just to do some testing, especially when as the developer above said, "they can ask a friend to test".

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by Uehreka »

favorited wrote: post #91
pfranz wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For this and many examples I think it's more ignoring those use-cases than maliciously blocking them. > For the longest time you couldn't even preview songs on iTunes store without having iTunes. I'm confused what the use case for this is? > Want to watch their biggest WWDC live? Had to use Safari until last year. Keynote streaming has had a long, weird history over the past decades. Even when Quicktime was dominant,…

> My understanding over the past decade or so has been they've used "standards" to stream, but just the standards Safari had implemented. It's just HLS, which Chrome didn't support

I’ve long wondered why Chrome doesn’t support HLS (HTTP Live Streaming for those who don’t know) given that it’s been standardized for a while.

I get that we’ve got stuff like MPEG DASH and Web RTC now and so the use case for HLS is mostly fulfilled, but having a couple different options for streaming live video with low latency to massive audiences is nice and allows folks like me who have worked in this space to offer multiple options when designing a streaming systems.

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by tusharsoni »

Developer of a recently launched app with Sign in with Apple here.

I watched the keynote where they launched Sign in with Apple and was honestly surprised at how easy the implementation was. I thought it was a no-brainer to add it to my app. So, I follow their (severely lacking) docs and the keynote and get a solution working. Once the user logs in, their APIs hand you a token that you can then send to the server.

Then, I thought, how do I verify this token on the server? While they do have docs on it [1], they simply omitted it from the keynote to make their example "just work". I would be very surprised if everyone was verifying the token on their servers. Not doing so seems like a loophole for many apps.

[1] https://developer.apple.com/documentation/signinwithappleres...

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by wolco »

pier25 wrote: post #72
ehsankia wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple continues to not give any care whatsoever to anything outside their walled garden. For the longest time you couldn't even preview songs on iTunes store without having iTunes. Want to watch their biggest WWDC live? Had to use Safari until last year. Obviously iMessage and FaceTime are complete no-gos outside their walled garden too. This is how they keep people in. They have to close down their walls as tightly…

I use a mix of Apple and non-Apple devices. It's a shame that I can't, for example, use Safari on Windows or Android.

Firefox might be the answer or cross platform applications. Always good to get out of the ecosystem when you can.
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