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Re: Ted versus The Media Lab [video]

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Pot, meet kettle. Ted's been banging on the Xanadu drum for 50 years... if he'd have just bothered to learn to program, he could have implemented it himself, but it seems he'd rather give interviews about it than sit down at a keyboard.

When a pot calls a kettle black, that doesn't mean the pot is wrong.

Re: Ted versus The Media Lab [video]

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My response: Maybe, but so what?

This was rambling and smelled of bitterness. I especially didn’t like his suggestion that he “could have been” Jef Raskin because their viewpoints were “essentially the same” or whatever. Really?

Re: Ted versus The Media Lab [video]

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As a high school student I got a chance to visit MIT's CSAIL with some other high school students and it killed all interest I had in attending MIT because what I previously thought would be a total hacker and mad scientist sort of place turned out to be a bunch of marketing gimmicks (with a couple carefully managed demos of things that were "cool" more so than useful, new, or innovative).

The irony is that building 20 was torn down to put up that monstrosity.

The day of my high school visit, the campus was plastered with posters for "The Asbestos Cork Award." http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/A/asbestos-cork-award.html

Re: Ted versus The Media Lab [video]

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What's up with these research institutes attached to universities running schemes for grant dollars? Maybe across the board incentive structure reform should be mandated by accreditation bodies.

Another recent case: the University of Central Florida is the news this morning for their research institute professors running a "grants for PhD" quid-pro-quo program where grant funders were receiving PhDs in exchange for continued funding. Other students funded by these grants were writing the grant-funders' theses.

https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2020/01/27/ucf-facul...

Re: Ted versus The Media Lab [video]

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This is well known in academia and exist outside of Media Lab as well. For example, I asked a professor (not associated with the Media Lab) about using hype to get grants. He said: "It's just like the stock market right, money goes here, it goes there, it's all story telling. I have to tell stories too because if I don't, then other people will tell this story and get the money. But I think I can use it better than o…

> I have to tell stories too because if I don't.... Sounds like reputation afforded to academia (professors) might be inappropriate. Besides, science shouldn't be judged by reputation but by fact and result. The idea of evaluating the quality of an idea by one's social standing is sort of odd... for someone who should be preaching science.

This is what you get when you introduce market mechanisms into research institutions. If the researchers have to solicit external sources of finance, they effectively become (part time) sales people.

As the financial sources are by definition external, the people behind them have no clue about the actual research. So what can the researchers do to close the sale, if the actual science won't work? They necessarily have to tell stories.

Re: Ted versus The Media Lab [video]

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post #11

Pot, meet kettle. Ted's been banging on the Xanadu drum for 50 years... if he'd have just bothered to learn to program, he could have implemented it himself, but it seems he'd rather give interviews about it than sit down at a keyboard.

I like both Ted and the Media Lab. The work he did on Xanadu is amazing and heavily influenced the web. He can be goofy at times, but I think that goofyness is related to his ability to express thoughts and ideas others would dismiss. Today's goofy idea can become tomorrows serious truth.

Re: Ted versus The Media Lab [video]

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post #11

Pot, meet kettle. Ted's been banging on the Xanadu drum for 50 years... if he'd have just bothered to learn to program, he could have implemented it himself, but it seems he'd rather give interviews about it than sit down at a keyboard.

This is the most ridiculous recurring accusation against someone who has championed the human-oriented use of computers since day one and it's partly his work that means we have PCs at all. So, firstly, Ted can program, secondly, there are versions of Xanadu and ZigZag you can download and try.

Bill Lowe of IBM fame on Ted; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kasu0BhRFGo

A zigzag demo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yFcJXBMGQQ

Finally, the man is 82, and deserving of respect, not some flippant, inaccurate, badly argued and frankly idiotic comment.

Re: Ted versus The Media Lab [video]

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This is well known in academia and exist outside of Media Lab as well. For example, I asked a professor (not associated with the Media Lab) about using hype to get grants. He said: "It's just like the stock market right, money goes here, it goes there, it's all story telling. I have to tell stories too because if I don't, then other people will tell this story and get the money. But I think I can use it better than o…

> I know several people who graduated from the Media Lab with masters/doctorates, and they are all of this exact mold: taken captive by pipe dreams and their own delusions of what this stuff could do, while their advisors are churning through students and packaging new narratives.

I have a pretty hard time with the theory that Doctoral MIT graduates are an exploited underclass.

Doctoral students everywhere are overworked and underpaid. Same as almost everyone, really. But the Doctoral students do get to walk away with, and heavily monetize that credential at the end of it.

And if they are doing work on aspirational “pipe dreams” pursuing a dream of the future that doesn’t pan out? Rather than what, punting on the dream and getting back to the hard work of CRUD apps and monetizing clicks?

Re: Ted versus The Media Lab [video]

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post #11

Pot, meet kettle. Ted's been banging on the Xanadu drum for 50 years... if he'd have just bothered to learn to program, he could have implemented it himself, but it seems he'd rather give interviews about it than sit down at a keyboard.

When a pot calls a kettle black, that doesn't mean the pot is wrong.

no, it means that the 'kettle' is a hypocrite. There is another saying, 'practice what you preach'. Don't hold people to a higher standard than you hold yourself
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