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Re: Disk Prices on Amazon

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SATA2 is really old. The SATA revisions are: SATA1 - 1.5Gb/s SATA2 - 3.0Gb/s SATA3 - 6.0Gb/s SATA3 is often referred to as SATA6G although because of 8b/10b encoding overhead you a SATA6G link maxes out at 4.8Gb/s There are many NVMe SSDs that use 4 lanes of PCI-E Gen 3 which is just under 32Gb/s If you read this review you can see read speeds of 3500MB/s which is 28Gb/s or just under the 32Gb/s limit. https://www.an…

Hmm, maybe my disk is using SATA3 then, I have an Evo and a not-ancient motherboard. However, I'm wondering whether I'll see a practical difference in my day to day workloads, which is mostly web development and no gaming.

IMO - not really. You might if you're memory constrained and you're doing analysis of logs or something like that.

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I find it interesting how stable HDDs are in terms of price. I just cross-checked with german "Geizhals"[1], and the 4 TB Seagate IronWolf (ST4000VN008) started at ~160€ in Sep. 2016, quickly fell to 140€ a few days later, and then slowly descended to 105€ in Jan. 2018 - and that's the region it's been sitting there for two years now. The UK price chart looks almost the same.[2] [1]: https://geizhals.de/seagate-ironw…

In 2011 I bought a 2TB WD for around £50[0], and barring some pricing oddities on that particular drive as it went out of production you can still buy 2TB drives for around £50-60[1] with £60 being where the price should be with the rate of inflation. Higher capacity drives are nice for convenience but it is a bit of a shame that the price per gigabyte hasn't really come down much[2], especially as now a single disk failure can cause 3-4 times as much data loss as it would have done around a decade ago.

[0] https://skinflint.co.uk/?phist=486924&age=9999

[1] https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/products/internal-hard-drive/#so...

[2] https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/products/internal-hard-drive/#t=...

Re: Disk Prices on Amazon

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I don't understand why anyone still buys anything at Amazon. Their Fulfilled-by-Amazon (FBA) idea was quite a game changer, but the implementation with the inventory co-mingling is something that I'd much rather stay away from as a consumer. There's been oh-so-many reports that even if you're buying from the official store of any known brand, with FBA, then you might as well still receive a knock-off, due to the inve…

> I don't understand why anyone still buys anything at Amazon. It is cheaper than almost every other computer store in the UK for the same parts, deliver next day and they don't tend to shaft you on delivery cost (if it costs anything at all). Unless you are near one of the large online shops and need something delivered next day there is no other option than Amazon.

I use https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/ as a guide when building out a new system. A browse across some parts there seldom shows Amazon as cheapest. It's usually competitive, but in some cases it's quite a ways behind.

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/Hy97YJ/msi-b450-tomahawk...

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/Y6Crxr/fractal-design-me...

etc.

It sometimes makes sense to spread the parts buy across a couple of vendors to save costs - of course too many vendors and delivery costs eat into the savings. But it's quite rare that I've ended up buying anything other than monitors and the occasional component from Amazon.

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Hmm, maybe my disk is using SATA3 then, I have an Evo and a not-ancient motherboard. However, I'm wondering whether I'll see a practical difference in my day to day workloads, which is mostly web development and no gaming.

IMO - not really. You might if you're memory constrained and you're doing analysis of logs or something like that.

That's what I figure as well, thank you.

Re: Disk Prices on Amazon

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Have you ever tried searching for apps on the Google/Android Play store? It's a complete disaster if you're trying to find something specific that's not in the top 20 apps. Given that Search is Google's specialty my personal conclusion is that search is fundamentally broken on the Play Store on purpose.

There are so many apps released constantly since their only hope is to get into "new apps" lists which lasts probably a week or so, if they don't get enough installs then it is usually the end. So I guess google just heavily filters, limits and shuffles apps so they are somewhat evenly distributed but it does look to end users like a buggy search that can't decide if it has the app or not returning different results…

Whatever. If I enter the name of an app verbatim at the search field, Google should put that app at least around the first page of results.

Currently, it often doesn't. I don't care much about fairness for the app distributors, but I suspect the current schema is much less fair than a good search. (The phone ecosystems are all so broken, why doesn't anybody create one that works as the user says?)

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Audit-based security is ok, but the ideal solution is open hardware and firmware.

My ranking of security: "It's secure because we say so" "It's secure, and we have a published design and audit" "It's open source" "We're offering a reward to anyone who can break it" "Our company would go under if anyone found a flaw in it" SSD's are currently at the first stage.

I'd put "it's open-source and simple" somewhere below "it's open source". There are quite a few open source codebases that are very hard to trust due to the sheer complexity.

Re: Disk Prices on Amazon

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>>I don't understand why anyone still buys anything at Amazon. Their Fulfilled-by-Amazon (FBA) idea was quite a game changer, but the implementation with the inventory co-mingling is something that I'd much rather stay away from as a consumer. As far as I know it doesn't happen in the UK at all. I have placed 200+ orders with Amazon in last year alone and haven't had any issues except for a couple deliveries which we…

I wonder if this knock-off problem I keep reading about is something specific to the US. I've ordered ~200 things over the last 3 years from Amazon, and I've never received a knock-off either. I've never even heard of that happening outside of internet comments. Plus sending things back to Amazon is usually fairly trivial.

How would you know whether what you received was authentic?

Re: Disk Prices on Amazon

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I find it interesting how stable HDDs are in terms of price. I just cross-checked with german "Geizhals"[1], and the 4 TB Seagate IronWolf (ST4000VN008) started at ~160€ in Sep. 2016, quickly fell to 140€ a few days later, and then slowly descended to 105€ in Jan. 2018 - and that's the region it's been sitting there for two years now. The UK price chart looks almost the same.[2] [1]: https://geizhals.de/seagate-ironw…

Nobody puts any R&D into new drive technologies. If demand drops, factories close since they are producing at near zero margin. All R&D costs are already amortized or written off. End result: Static prices. The only time prices will change is when only one manufacturer is left and they jack the prices as a monopoly on antique tech that a few big companies still need. We're a long way from that tho.

>producing at near zero margin

:)) https://ycharts.com/companies/STX/gross_profit_margin

SSDs are unsuitable for long term storage, technology is simply incapable (cells losing charge, normal usage physically degrading medium, limited number or charges per cell). We dont have anything better than spinning magnetic medium at the moment, and nothing viable on the horizon.

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We stopped buying drives from Amazon when we got drives for "the wrong region" and couldn't RMA them. NewEgg is a bit better, but don't buy refurbished drives. Provantage is another reputable vendor that usually has decent prices. If you're local to the SF bay area, check out Central Computers. King Star USA also works if you're a business customer making a large purchase.

I don't understand why anyone still buys anything at Amazon. Their Fulfilled-by-Amazon (FBA) idea was quite a game changer, but the implementation with the inventory co-mingling is something that I'd much rather stay away from as a consumer. There's been oh-so-many reports that even if you're buying from the official store of any known brand, with FBA, then you might as well still receive a knock-off, due to the inve…

Trust. If something happens, I know amazon got my back. Unless they betray my trust, I will continue shopping on amazon.

Re: Disk Prices on Amazon

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This is the second "Find X on Amazon more easily" sites that I've come across in the last week or so (the last was a USB hub filtering site). Including eBay in the mix, it's the third such site[0].

I love these sites. It's just sad that it's difficult-to-near-impossible to actually use Amazon (or eBay) for the exact same purpose. The perfect example hit me, yesterday. I wanted a new A/C adapter for my Thinkpad. It's a USB-C laptop, so simple, right? Start with a search. OK, there's a lot of A/C adapters, and a lot of USB-C adapters for phones. In the mix is one or two (over-priced, non-OEM) adapters.

Let's try the A/C adapters category, maybe I can click into that and filter based on the metadata? First, find the category. A few minutes later, settle on something somewhat close. This shouldn't be too difficult; this thing can be powered by anything 60W or higher that supports USB-PD and has a USB-C end on it. Nope. Not a single filter and a few thousand results are returned[1].

Product properties/metadata are so important -- why are so many important bits of data completely missing/unavailable to me while trying to find what I need? I feel like Amazon and eBay have managed to recreate the experience of shopping at a Walmart Super Center online -- a store full of products, organized by some magician, in order to make a 2 minute purchase require 20 minutes of browsing. I guess I don't have to roll the dice picking a check-out line that might move quickly, but outside of that, the experience is so bad that I have a solid four or five things I need to buy which I've attempted to find and simply given up.

And it used to be that you could find other shops online that were more narrow in their product categories (but not selection in said categories) and offered better options for filtering and finding the precise item you were looking for. Many of those are gone, now. The ones that remain all use a handful of off-the-shelf cart software and are often worse for finding products[2] or the price is so much worse that you end up finding the product and searching for its specific part number on Amazon.

I have to say, though, I clicked this link because I have been putting off purchasing an NVMe SSD drive. So thank you to whomever is responsible for this site; that was very helpful in getting me to pull the trigger.

In a more perfect world, a site designed to make it possible to filter available products by a set of incredibly important, common properties which is directly tied to the site who's job it is to sell you the actual products wouldn't even exist. In this world, it gets over 250 upvotes and has more than 160 comments after being on HN for about 13 hours.

[0] https://labgopher.com

[1] Unless, of course, I decide to sort by anything other than "Featured" whatever-the-heck-that-means, then there's 150 or so.

[2] NewEgg does a better job than Amazon, but too often a filter will eliminate a set of products because they refer to a common property of a product by a different name; I can tolerate that, but it'd be nice if I didn't have to so frequently.

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