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Which is none? Anyone can walk up to you on the street and take your picture.
If you purposely ignore the power of new tech. Might as well say nothing changed with the invention of earth moving machinery because you could have done the same thing with a shovel.
The invention of the bulldozer didn't change property rights.
Good but don't exempt the government. Many local cities are building out vast networks. Including my very own Miami Beach Police Department.
If you're out in public then what privacy are you expecting?
Because this is basically what this will sooner or later boil down to, except that's more subtle (i.e. instead of having a person following you you have a innumerable amount of cameras sharing the recording burden, but producing the _same end result_).
Also, you might want to say you don't have to hide anything.
But consider how "god" the cyber security of the police is (or most times is not). Also consider that there are frequently cases of police misbehaving by e.g. stalking or discriminating. (I mean there is a lot of police and they are human so it would be surprising if there wouldn't be such cases). Lastly consider how long it will take until police stations would want to sell some most likely very badly anonymized data about people in the city to e.g. shops.
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Let's drop the bank robbery example since I brought it up and maybe you feel it's an uncharitable example. But you brought up VW's emissions fraud. Do you really believe what they did should be legal, just because they got away with it for years?
Not especially - although I also feel that they were unfairly villainized because the cars were still WAY cleaner than stuff built the year before the new emissions laws. I'd also note that subsequently just about every other mfger was caught doing variations of the same thing. Vehicle testing (emissions, especially, but MPG also) are highly synthetic measurements that aren't very representative of real world conditi…
Does this pertain specifically to facial recognition or does this also include other biometric markers? If solely facial recognition, then this means jack shit, as people will be identified with other measurements.
You’re 100% correct banning facial recognition means jack shit. I guess it’s a start though. Chinese ‘gait recognition’ tech IDs people by how they walk https://apnews.com/bf75dd1c26c947b7826d270a16e2658a
An ex-CIA disguise specialist said that you can change your gait by putting a pebble in your shoe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JASUsVY5YJ8
Her comments were targeting human recognition, and I speculate that one of the reasons she was allowed to share her disguise techniques is that maybe they're ineffective against automated facial recognition and therefore obsolete.
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If you're out in public then what privacy are you expecting?
Counter question. Do you expect/are ok with that the moment you leave your house you are constantly followed by a person with a camera recording everything you do. Which shops you visite etc.? Because this is basically what this will sooner or later boil down to, except that's more subtle (i.e. instead of having a person following you you have a innumerable amount of cameras sharing the recording burden, but producin…
That too will be gone soon when biological recognition services are in the hands of people. I suspect it won't be long until you can arbitrarily pull your phone, grab some video/image and/or audio data, pass a few (hundred) signature markers off to a service and identify people with a variety of metadata associated with them.
Does this pertain specifically to facial recognition or does this also include other biometric markers? If solely facial recognition, then this means jack shit, as people will be identified with other measurements.
You’re 100% correct banning facial recognition means jack shit. I guess it’s a start though. Chinese ‘gait recognition’ tech IDs people by how they walk https://apnews.com/bf75dd1c26c947b7826d270a16e2658a
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Not especially - although I also feel that they were unfairly villainized because the cars were still WAY cleaner than stuff built the year before the new emissions laws. I'd also note that subsequently just about every other mfger was caught doing variations of the same thing. Vehicle testing (emissions, especially, but MPG also) are highly synthetic measurements that aren't very representative of real world conditi…
I was around when the emissions rules were less strict. If you compare the air back then vs today you see quickly that environmental regulations were a big success. Companies fought them tooth and nail at every step but the rules worked.
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If you purposely ignore the power of new tech. Might as well say nothing changed with the invention of earth moving machinery because you could have done the same thing with a shovel.
Way to miss the point. The invention of the bulldozer didn't change property rights.
The point is that the degree to which something is possible at scale has an impact on the practical applications of that thing, and therefore on the people subject to its application. Viz., earth moving machinery (and related engineering) has made possible things that would previously have required orders of magnitude more time and/or manpower, likely making them economically infeasible except in rare cases where money was no object.
He didn't say anything about property rights. That was you... for some reason.
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If you purposely ignore the power of new tech. Might as well say nothing changed with the invention of earth moving machinery because you could have done the same thing with a shovel.
Way to miss the point. The invention of the bulldozer didn't change property rights.
Facial recognition tech could save so much time and money though. Imagine how many man hours would be saved if teachers no longer had to take attendance? Shoplifting would hit all time lows since you wouldn't be able to get away with it short of wearing a mask into the store.