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Re: Ask HN: What would the Dunning-Kruger “test” be for your field?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think that light bulbs cause cancer? They emit higher frequency radiation than 5G.

They can cause skin cancer if they emit UV. That one is rather obvious, so most light emitters are made to not emit UV light.

That's like saying your TV would cause cancer if it emitted X-rays. I don't know what point a made up scenario contributes. This was a reply to someone saying that 'we don't have the data to know if sub light frequencies of radiation are non ionizing'.

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In software engineering, I think "unconditional faith in a single technique or technology" is a good sign of overconfidence in one's knowledge or ability. This certainly applied to me when I was younger. Engineers who go all-in on a specific technique will have really inconsistent results: some projects will go amazing because the technique was the best option. Some projects won't go so great because the technique wa…

agreed. now, I am personally biased for or against certain technologies, but I would still say that (even though I might not like it) something like PHP probably has its perfect use cases... when I've interviewed people, I made sure to ask questions like "what do you like/dislike about language/technology/technique X" and a lot of people really seem to struggle with that kind of question

> when I've interviewed people, I made sure to ask questions like "what do you like/dislike about language/technology/technique X" and a lot of people really seem to struggle with that kind of question

Wait really? That's shocking to me.

Re: Ask HN: What would the Dunning-Kruger “test” be for your field?

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In grappling (Brazilian jiu-jitsu), it is very apparent from one sparring round with a person to get a sense for what they know and get a general idea for their skill/belt level. The exact belt is determined by that person's coach by measuring their skill against their personal potential. An analogy to software would be to pair program with a person. You both get a feel for each other's strengths and weaknesses while…

Has anyone in the world actually delivered effective, large scale software that was primarily pair programmed? Genuine question. It would be fascinating if there were documented examples. Note that this is distinct from having a company culture where pair programming is common. I am skeptical that just because you occasionally look over each other’s shoulder and exchange ideas, that the software ends up being fundame…

I interviewed at pivotal in UK and they seemed to be all about pair programming.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not a great question for the stated purpose. Some people will dig in to the various tradeoffs involved with an ORM, and pick apart the structure of an ORM. And that should result in an "it depends" kind of answer. Others are more interested in how a team is going to use an ORM; does it help junior devs write "not awful" code, how does it help me structure my application logic. Others are stats nerds who will tell you…

The competent person will say all ORMs are garbage.

Ironically a competent person would probably not say "All X's are garbage" because, as with most things in software, it's a) complicated and b) never that clear cut.

Re: Ask HN: What would the Dunning-Kruger “test” be for your field?

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I have grown really frustrated with software hiring. Candidate selection is incredibly biased. I really get the impression that software is rife with Dunning-Kruger type people who absolutely cannot write simple code to solve tiny problems and that they selectively bias candidate selection to pick people for selfish reasons that compliment their own position on a team.

Here is how I would screen developers for a general developer position. I would issue a 1 hour limit and ensure the candidate knows the test is graded by a computer only. The goal is can they read instructions and write simple code. I don't care how they write the code. I only care that they can.

Any question could be as complex or challenging in requirements as necessary, but the answer would always be a small function of few parts. The idea being to test reading comprehension, the ability to follow instructions, and write a simple function. An example of output format and data type would be explicitly stated with each question.

An example question:

A customer is spending cash to purchase a drink. Write a function that receives cash as the first argument and the cost of the drink as the second argument and outputs an object indicating the change in coins with preference to the largest denominations first.

1. Specify the grading criteria of the test. 10 points for each question correctly answered within the given time period. There is no penalty for answering a question incorrectly. The cumulative total execution time of all answered questions will be multiplied by 100 if in milliseconds or by 100,000 if in nanoseconds and be deducted from the final score. The idea is to solve as many questions as possible, but in the event that there are a limited number of positions and tied scores slow code is the tie-breaker that disqualifies a candidate.

2. Stress that code style is irrelevant. The test will be graded by a computer compiling the code and executing it again several scenarios in an answer bank. A human will not review the answers submitted.

3. Tell candidates that once the 1 hour test period has exhausted they will have an optional 15 extra minutes to review all prior attempted questions.

4. Force the candidate to perform 3 practice questions before the test timer starts to familiarize the candidate the expectations of the test platform and the appropriateness of answers.

5. Randomly pull questions from a pool of 200+ questions 1 at a time to ensure a developer is focused on the question presented instead of selectively gaming the question list.

6. Ask the candidate to write a function in a designated space that addresses the problem question/statement.

7. Allow the user to test their answer to review the output before submitting it for the next question.

8. Also allow the user to skip to the next random question with a 2 minute time penalty.

That is for a developer. For an architect I would have them write an essay on a prompt provided by the business. Architects review business needs, distill requirements, and communicate goals to provide a platform that executes the business needs while minimizing complexity as much as possible. If they can do that in writing they can do it in software. The most important skill is their ability to communicate clearly against competing factors. Have 3 separate non-developers read and grade the essay.

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