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Re: Wine 5.0

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Post by pge »

swiley wrote: post #5
ziotom78 wrote: post #3

Let's hope that «multi-monitor support» will help this bug [1] go away! I have found that most of the Windows apps I used to rely on have good counterparts working on Linux, but sadly nothing matches Powerpoint (no, LibreOffice does not count). [1] https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7416

What exactly makes PowerPoint so good? I’ve never really used either, I’ve mostly relied on pamdoc’s Beamer generator and google slides.

The other issue is that even if you had an office application with feature parity to Powerpoint, Powerpoint is still the one that everyone else is using. As a result, perfect file compatibility is more important than features. I haven't used Open/LIbreOffice in about two years - I stopped because I could not collaborate with colleagues on the same PPT file if I was using LibreOffice. Little things in format and layout would get messed up when you went back and forth.

Re: Wine 5.0

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Post by Andrew_nenakhov »

wiz21c wrote: post #12
Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LibreOffice is able to create presentations in PDF format, and that's all anyone needs from presentations.

I love LibreOffice and rely only on it. But its Impress part is really cumbersome to use compared to PowerPoint (and I hate to admit that). All the icons are lined up front and hard to distinguish; some bugs are really annoying (animated transitions don't work on my computers); some functionalities are tough to find : grouping/ungrouping for example. If only I had time, I'd work to fix that...

You don't need animated transitions in presentations. This eye-candy is fun the first time you see it, but later it's just an irritating delay.

UI preferences are a matter of taste and habits. I find PowerPoint ui a hot garbage mess where I can't find anything, and LibreOffice is logical and structured to me. So my mileage obviously varies.

Re: Wine 5.0

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Post by technofiend »

jeroenhd wrote: post #29
Yetanfou wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I surely hope so, given that these make it possible to do things with Wine which are difficult if not impossible with a real Windows installation without having to do silly things with VMs or containers. As an example I use Wine to run Sketchup (2016, off-line) on Linux. After 30 days the thing times out and wants me to buy a license which is no longer available given that Sketchup has gone with the times and now doe…

There's applications to do this on Windows too. Using Sandboxie you can create a sandbox on the file system to isolate files (for sketchup for example) in the same way you can use a Wine prefix to isolate a single application. Of course this doesn't cover all uses, but in my experience Windows tools exist to provide most features you can use Wine for. The difference is having to download 20 apps for 20 things and wri…

It bears mention that sandboxie is now free and transitioning to open source. So hopefully the original poster doesn't also have to uninstall and reinstall it due to cloudy things.

Re: Wine 5.0

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Post by AndriyKunitsyn »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #32
wiz21c wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love LibreOffice and rely only on it. But its Impress part is really cumbersome to use compared to PowerPoint (and I hate to admit that). All the icons are lined up front and hard to distinguish; some bugs are really annoying (animated transitions don't work on my computers); some functionalities are tough to find : grouping/ungrouping for example. If only I had time, I'd work to fix that...

You don't need animated transitions in presentations. This eye-candy is fun the first time you see it, but later it's just an irritating delay. UI preferences are a matter of taste and habits. I find PowerPoint ui a hot garbage mess where I can't find anything, and LibreOffice is logical and structured to me. So my mileage obviously varies.

Replying “you don’t need the feature” to “the feature is clearly bugged” doesn’t make much sense.

Anyways, presentations are supposed to grab attention. Nothing grabs attention better than an animation.

Re: Wine 5.0

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Post by zimpenfish »

classified wrote: post #14

To the attention of Mac users: Wine won't work on macOS Catalina 10.15 Apple is doing us no favors here, so be aware.

Is that Wine 5 that won't work on Catalina?

Whilst the barest of bare anecdata, I can, e.g., run mineways.exe on Catalina 10.15.3 using wine64 4.0.2 (from homebrew) happily[1].

[1] Ok, you have to cancel the "bogus app move to bin?" prompt for both mineways.exe and vcruntime140_1.dll which is messy but I can live with that for OS emulation.

Re: Wine 5.0

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Post by wiz21c »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #32
wiz21c wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love LibreOffice and rely only on it. But its Impress part is really cumbersome to use compared to PowerPoint (and I hate to admit that). All the icons are lined up front and hard to distinguish; some bugs are really annoying (animated transitions don't work on my computers); some functionalities are tough to find : grouping/ungrouping for example. If only I had time, I'd work to fix that...

You don't need animated transitions in presentations. This eye-candy is fun the first time you see it, but later it's just an irritating delay. UI preferences are a matter of taste and habits. I find PowerPoint ui a hot garbage mess where I can't find anything, and LibreOffice is logical and structured to me. So my mileage obviously varies.

Of course "I" don't need it. But you see, there’s this kid of mine. In his school, you’re somehow pushed to use PowerPoint (see Microsoft schools programme)... So he’s confronted with his friends who totally abuse the visuals (and the teacher somehow likes that too). So social pressure comes in. And although the kid could use LibreOffice, he’s so dissappointed to not be able to play in the same league as his friend that I have hard times convincing him to stay out of MSFT. So no, I don’t need animated transitions but he does (and don’t start me on the fact I could explain him why transitions are a distraction, usually).

Re: Wine 5.0

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Post by koenigdavidmj »

zimpenfish wrote: post #36
classified wrote: post #14

To the attention of Mac users: Wine won't work on macOS Catalina 10.15 Apple is doing us no favors here, so be aware.

Is that Wine 5 that won't work on Catalina? Whilst the barest of bare anecdata, I can, e.g., run mineways.exe on Catalina 10.15.3 using wine64 4.0.2 (from homebrew) happily[1]. [1] Ok, you have to cancel the "bogus app move to bin?" prompt for both mineways.exe and vcruntime140_1.dll which is messy but I can live with that for OS emulation.

32 bit apps won’t work anymore. 64 are still okay.

Re: Wine 5.0

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Post by mrpippy »

classified wrote: post #14

To the attention of Mac users: Wine won't work on macOS Catalina 10.15 Apple is doing us no favors here, so be aware.

This is not accurate. This version of Wine can’t run 32-bit Windows apps on 10.15, but 64-bit apps do run. Also, CodeWeavers CrossOver can run 32 and 64-bit apps on 10.15.

Re: Wine 5.0

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Post by mister_hn »

Dayshine wrote: post #13

Does Wine still require the complicated, hard to manage, and poorly documented use of various combinations of WINEPREFIX, Winetricks and WINEARCH? It always seemed to me the easiest thing was to spin up a new VM for every application I wanted to run in Wine. I feel like that isn't the intention, but without any built-in profile management you're always one typo away from wrecking your entire Wine setup.

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