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What the original commenter is saying, and what I will agree will happen, is that the behavior of automatically trusting video as evidence will go away. I think this is actually a good thing if it encourages people to dig deeper into the sources of information. > If you reject a dude he can just make a deepfake porn video with you and release it as revenge. This will be troubling at first, but again in the long run i…

I disagree and propose that we are indeed exiting a golden age of objectivity that evolved alongside Western Civilization the past century at the least if not longer. We developed as a world because the most important nations did not peddle obvious distortions of facts in matters of fundamental importance (that all people are equal, that no one deserves to die, that the world needs preservation, and recently, that ma…

This is a very historically-ignorant view. Every culture and state since the beginning of time has manipulated information to suit its needs.

We don’t even need to back that far: the beginning of the Iraq war, not even twenty years ago, was rife with “fake news.” The fact that the buzzword didn’t exist doesn’t mean that the phenomenon didn’t exist.

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Before anyone is panicking, please remind yourself that whatever medium was used by humans as a form of communication in the last few thousand years, was also used for fakes. You only need a half-decent voice actor to pretend you are someone else on the phone. Fake photographs are as old as photography. Even the probably most immediate form of interpersonal communication, seeing another person, can be faked, which is…

In the past, you needed to put effort to fake things. Of course, people still exist that believe the moonlanding videos were faked, but their hypothesis hinges on the government spending extraordinary amounts of money to produce the fake. Deepfakes are deeply troubling, because anyone with a computer (a requirement that's getting optional as well quite fast) can fake any video almost instantly. Consider just one sini…

> if you reject a dude he can just make a deepfake porn video with you and release it as revenge

But the woman in this example could take the same video and put the faces of a thousand other people on the person in the video.

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#33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What the original commenter is saying, and what I will agree will happen, is that the behavior of automatically trusting video as evidence will go away. I think this is actually a good thing if it encourages people to dig deeper into the sources of information. > If you reject a dude he can just make a deepfake porn video with you and release it as revenge. This will be troubling at first, but again in the long run i…

> What the original commenter is saying, and what I will agree will happen, is that the behavior of automatically trusting video as evidence will go away. This is doubtful. People still believe in pictures despite it's so easy to forge. People believe obvious oral lies. Hell, people believe tweets. The video medium is incredibly powerful, and the damage it can do is huge. We are going to suffer for this, and most peo…

>The video medium is incredibly powerful, and the damage it can do is huge.

I fully agree. Even if rationally, one rejects a video is fake, it does have the potential to influence the subconscious.

Re: Pinscreen Deepfake Live Prototype [video]

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How can we achieve this with what's available in open source world? Or is it only available as a proprietary system?

Some recent links and models and code, updated early 2020 Q1

https://github.com/iperov/DeepFaceLab ("More than 95% of deepfake videos are created with DeepFaceLab. DeepFaceLab is used by such popular youtube channels as Ctrl Shift Face, Sham00k, Collider videos, VFXChris Ume")

https://github.com/deepfakes/faceswap

https://faceswap.dev/

https://forum.faceswap.dev/

https://dfblue.com/

https://pub.dfblue.com/pub/2019-10-25-deepfacelab-tutorial

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post #29

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> What the original commenter is saying, and what I will agree will happen, is that the behavior of automatically trusting video as evidence will go away. This is doubtful. People still believe in pictures despite it's so easy to forge. People believe obvious oral lies. Hell, people believe tweets. The video medium is incredibly powerful, and the damage it can do is huge. We are going to suffer for this, and most peo…

I am observing increasing number of people is now seriously believe in "Moon Hoax". Definitely more than back in 70-80th. Why is that? Generation of YouTube? Deliberate propaganda?

Don't forget the Flat Earth movement.

I don't think anything about that is "deliberate propaganda".

It's just nutjobs gathering and gatherings of nutjobs creating more nutjobs. It's much easier these days with "social" media.

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#39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What the original commenter is saying, and what I will agree will happen, is that the behavior of automatically trusting video as evidence will go away. I think this is actually a good thing if it encourages people to dig deeper into the sources of information. > If you reject a dude he can just make a deepfake porn video with you and release it as revenge. This will be troubling at first, but again in the long run i…

I disagree and propose that we are indeed exiting a golden age of objectivity that evolved alongside Western Civilization the past century at the least if not longer. We developed as a world because the most important nations did not peddle obvious distortions of facts in matters of fundamental importance (that all people are equal, that no one deserves to die, that the world needs preservation, and recently, that ma…

Even back then, pseudo-science that seemed to fit to humans feelings was pretty rampant. The Physiognomy was a accepted science http://www.theijes.com/papers/v3-i12/Version-3/G031203039047... , racial quak-science and pseudo-physics where rampant. The truth is, we where always prone to believe in non-sense that felt good or was close to our preception.

We just had a large surplus to bribe everyone into shutting the hell up and let the pros run the show. Now it has run out, and the whole ilusion of a nicer, better world with nicer, newer, better humans - goes into the bin.

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post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am observing increasing number of people is now seriously believe in "Moon Hoax". Definitely more than back in 70-80th. Why is that? Generation of YouTube? Deliberate propaganda?

Don't forget the Flat Earth movement. I don't think anything about that is "deliberate propaganda". It's just nutjobs gathering and gatherings of nutjobs creating more nutjobs. It's much easier these days with "social" media.

Well, it's also the fact that people have learned how to monetize this stuff effectively. I mean, even the first fakes were monetized (stuff like shocking photos of fairies would be sold, the people who took them would travel the country and speak about their 'amazing discoveries) but, nowadays, you can just write a book about the Earth being flat because all you need to make money off of it is a few contrarian people or conspiracy theorists.

Even Alex Jones, a figure so obviously deranged with claims that sound like satire, has been selling supplements and merch. All because these days anybody has a platform and monetizing lies is easier than ever. People will believe anything, especially if it's 'published in a scientific magazine', nevermind that the publication has no credibility, reliable sources, or academic integrity. This is how anti-vaxxers got their start, after all.

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