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Coyotes Poised to Infiltrate South America

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Re: Coyotes Poised to Infiltrate South America

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Big Felines and wolves erradicate it. Is just that we, humans are not good at that.

Big felines and wolves don't do well in urban/suburban environments. Coyotes do.

The irony: we kill large scary predators, but inevitably medium sized predators replace them. People and cattle are not terrorized but our Shih Tzus and kitty cats are.

Re: Coyotes Poised to Infiltrate South America

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> One woman in Cape Breton was killed by Coywolves when she was out for a walk in a wooded area Yes, this did occur and it was a tragedy. But worth keeping things in perspective: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coyote_attack Three fatal attacks recorded in the last 100 years. And so few non-fatal attacks that the wikipedia page can list nearly all of them. Even the attack you mention, Taylor Mitchell, it sounds as thou…

> they'd still be a orders of magnitude less dangerous than sharks, bees, and lightning. And well, dogs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_dog_attacks_in_t... BTW, since we just adopted a very sweet chocolate lab mix who according to wisdom panel has 25% American Staffordshire Terrier in him, I'll also share this article pointing out that breed is a poor predictor of bite risk: https://www.avma.org/resource…

Did you read the list of fatal dog attacks? I toolk a cursory look came to exactly the opposite conclusion as the second avma.org link did, which seemed to be engaged in mental gymnastics.

Re: Coyotes Poised to Infiltrate South America

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> Other than eating the occasional housecat (which is bad) If you want your cat to participate in nature, to have the opportunity to kill wild animals, you have to accept the possibility that other wild animals might try to eat your cat. Wanting the former but not the latter, wanting to have your cake and eating it too, is unreasonable.

Suppose I'd like my son to be able to go out hunting, but I want to make sure the animals out there do not eat him. Why is that different?

If your kid wants to frolicking around in the woods in bear country, it would be reasonable for you to tell him to watch his back. Or go with him and watch his back yourself. Or if neither could be managed, you should tell him to stay inside. What's not reasonable is calling for the extermination of bears to turn nature into a sanitized Disneyland experience safe for unattended young children.

Mapping this analogy back to cats, you should either tell your cat to watch his back, watch your cat's back yourself, or keep your cat indoors. Really though, just do the last one. If your son hunted the north american songbirds your cat kills, he'd be a felon. If you want your cat to be happy, buy some cat toys.

Re: Coyotes Poised to Infiltrate South America

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> no one's ever run into a shark by accident. What do you mean by that? I'm pretty sure that the swimmers/surfers that have been bitten by a shark were not actually looking for a shark. Swimming at the surface of the water unaware of exactly what's lurking in the water below them is the same thing to me as a hiker walking through the woods suddenly coming upon any wild animal.

Not sure it's a point worth making personally, but I suspect they mean that you encounter bees by leaving the house, something almost everybody does daily. Deer if you drive outside a city. But you will only encounter a shark if you specifically enter the ocean and almost only if you go deeper than a foot or so of water. I live in Australia where almost everyone lives near the coast, and we regularly swim at beaches…

> only if you go deeper than a foot or so of water

So, basically what any adult does when they go on the sea?

Though it seems sharks are especially attracted to surfboards , making the surfers a notable target.

Re: Coyotes Poised to Infiltrate South America

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Big felines and wolves don't do well in urban/suburban environments. Coyotes do.

The irony: we kill large scary predators, but inevitably medium sized predators replace them. People and cattle are not terrorized but our Shih Tzus and kitty cats are.

Yep, It even has a name in Ecology: Mesopredator release. You can have one wolf or "twenty" coyotes in the same area.

Re: Coyotes Poised to Infiltrate South America

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> One woman in Cape Breton was killed by Coywolves when she was out for a walk in a wooded area Yes, this did occur and it was a tragedy. But worth keeping things in perspective: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coyote_attack Three fatal attacks recorded in the last 100 years. And so few non-fatal attacks that the wikipedia page can list nearly all of them. Even the attack you mention, Taylor Mitchell, it sounds as thou…

The deer is a remarkably deadly animal. More people lose their lives in deer-involved car crashes than through dog attacks. Coyotes are the only thing that kill deer in the semi-urban Eastern US.

I would attribute that more to cars than deer. If oppossums and groundhogs were deer-sized and agile enough to dart in front of vehicles, would we track groundhog-related fatalities?
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