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Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

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Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

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without wiki i don't know how i would have solved my problem sets in grad school. let's see how the academic performance improves in turkey.

Universities in Turkey have different internet infrastructure network called ULAKBIM (National Academic Network and Information Center). Therefore Wikipedia was never blocked for universities.

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

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I wonder what will happen (politically) in countries that engage in mass Internet censorship when SpaceX's Starlink constellation goes GA. I've always believed (perhaps naively) that the Internet is a great equalizer for information. Free (as in freedom) and unfettered Internet access seems like one of the few things that could make it incredible difficult for bad and oppressive regimes to operate anywhere in the wor…

As a billionaire philanthropist you will still have to align to your home country’s foreign policy, because your billions only have value so far as the State enforces your property rights. So very concretely, if China says "hey US of A, please don’t bring uncensored Internet to my citizens: it would be a shame if all this manufacturing and trade suddenly stopped", and the US gov agrees, then Elon Musk will not provid…

The US government ignores ITU broadcasting restrictions hence VOA. China is also not going to cut back on exports.

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

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I wonder what will happen (politically) in countries that engage in mass Internet censorship when SpaceX's Starlink constellation goes GA. I've always believed (perhaps naively) that the Internet is a great equalizer for information. Free (as in freedom) and unfettered Internet access seems like one of the few things that could make it incredible difficult for bad and oppressive regimes to operate anywhere in the wor…

Make no mistake, new oppressive regimes will arise which make use of the internet as a tool of oppression. It is not without its costs and they are currently unmeasured as we have not seen the effect of children being exposed to this at such young ages as they currently are. What the internet is also doing is dissolving all culture that does not adhere to a central political set of goals. We also have no idea of the…

> What the internet is also doing is dissolving all culture that does not adhere to a central political set of goals.

Aren't the various cultural groups that seem to have sprung up online (including social media) a counter point to that?

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

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post #17

The people of Turkey have voted for him right? He improved their economic situation enormously, this is democracy, you get who you vote for.

Ignoring widespread belief that the Turkish elections were less than fair, this kind of sentiment about politicians always surprises me. If I vote for a candidate why am I required to forever support every thing they do? I can vote for someone and still disagree (even strongly) with some of their decisions.

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is ridiculously easy to geo-fence these solutions, because the position of the ground stations must be known for the system to work (and spoofing won't be possible because then your signal will get steered to the wrong spot), so SpaceX could still block/reroute people's access even if you're using a region-unlocked ground station from another country. And if smuggling foreign equipment into China becomes common yo…

Wonder if the commonly disputed borders of some countries is going to make things tricky in those areas?

It is nearly guaranteed that SpaceX will ask the US government what their official stance is and comply with that. They have a lot of space launch contracts that they don't want to lose.

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

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post #63
post #52

While talking about this, I think it's appropriate to at least mention what that block was about: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berat_Albayrak

It's incorrect. The block was began because of Turkey was in the list of State-sponsored Terrorism article [1]. Turkish authorities asked to remove the content from Wikipedia, otherwise they will be blocked. [2] [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_terrorism [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Block_of_Wikipedia_in_Turkey#c...

Yes, that is the formal pretext, but everybody knows that Erdogan's damat is the real reason

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

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post #32
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a billionaire philanthropist you will still have to align to your home country’s foreign policy, because your billions only have value so far as the State enforces your property rights. So very concretely, if China says "hey US of A, please don’t bring uncensored Internet to my citizens: it would be a shame if all this manufacturing and trade suddenly stopped", and the US gov agrees, then Elon Musk will not provid…

Unless he hoards wealth and assets in a third party area, like Mars, Antarctica, or his private home with a hired army

How far are we really from private armies really? Sometimes I feel like the US is descending back to feudalism. The billionaire tycoons of today are just lacking homage of some PMCs to be modern day barons of their own domain.

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

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Don't expect it to last for long. As soon as something negative about Erdogan gets posted a loophole will be found and will be banned again. Unfortunately the situation in Turkey is not simple, there's potentially innocent people still in prison since the failed coup attempt, Wikipedia is a small inconvenience compared to prosecution of innocents.

You can leave out the 'potentially'. There is no way that any coup would justify putting this many people in jail.

Somehow most western supported military coups and regimes persist, in South America, Africa, middle East and East Asia. And most of these coups have wide spread support in a wider political panorama. So military coups or uprisings seem to destabilize and stabilize third world.

Yet ongoing demonstrations in France and England are usually ignored and violently suppressed without support from elites. I'm curious why

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